The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

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Is turning deserts green a good response to climate change?

  1. No, only a carbon tax of some form will stop climate change!

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  2. Yes, plants are both a carbon as well as a water sink!

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    41.2%
  3. No, we should never engage in geo-engineering of any form or shape, EVER!!!

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  4. Yes, with one billion hungry, how can we go wrong by producing more food?

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  1. politicalcenter

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    Sand and clay....mixed with water makes a "soil" that bakes as hard as a rock. The way to improve sandy soil is to fill it with roots. And this improves organic matter in soil and increases water percolation. The top of the ground is shaded once established. A problem would be finding the right seed mix for an area and timing the planting right. My focus right now is silvopasture.
     
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    The problem with deserts is a lack of rainfall...duh...and if a person lived near the ocean. He may be able to distill water with a greenhouse and use that water for plants. But this is very small scale and makes expensive tomatoes. But for grazing? Some plants will grow well in salt water. Why not use salt water plants for grazing? Now...this could be one if two ways.. Bring the food to the animals...or bring the animals to the food. The waste materials could be composted and used to make fresh water soil admendments.
     
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    There is an old Arab saying of "All Sunshine makes a desert" and this is as true in geography as in life. That being said I have to wonder how much of these desert blooming projects are good ideas if only the scale is somewhat reduced. If you bring water to the desert you create an oasis and the oasis is the most salubrious and productive climate possible, with year round maximally productive crops. It's why Egypt and Iraq, both really just large oases with manmade irrigation, were the Cradles of Civilization
     
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    It is the terminus of a huge commercial river, possibly the most commercially productive in the world, Man often has to build ports where none should really exist because nature is seldom as careful a commercial planner as we would like.
     
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    At the 2:35:00 mark in this audio there is a vision of an army.... that turns deserts green.......

    is this literal or metaphorical?????

    It certainly is a positive message for us at the minimum.

     
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    It is being done already in Morocco!

     
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    Shifting away from a Carbon Tax solution to stabilize the climate over to large scale desalination of ocean water to turn deserts green could help these women in Iran to be heard more loudly?

    The following ancient Islamic prediction for the Last Hour sure reminds me of Isaiah chapter thirty five.



    https://www.change.org/p/supreme-le...xp=initial-17157868-en-US&share_bandit_var=v3


    Supporting the Statement by 14 Civil and Women's Rights Activists in Iran

     
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    and the fact that New Orleans is below sea level.....
     
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    I think it is a wonderful idea to plant vegetation for reforestation or crop growing. Slow drip irrigation has proven effective in the desert and arid regions for crop production. Unfortunately the Amazon rainforest loses approximately a football field of forest every day from human activity..I own 43 acres of woods and do not clear cut I leave the trees in place and intact.....
     
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    Exactly... and the situation with the considerable melting in Greenland this summer is causing us to look at all this differently than we did a year or two ago.


    The Greenland 2019 melt and forcing M. P. Andrew Scheer and M. P. Bernier to cooperate?

     
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    This is extremely good news!



    Solar RO using gravity.
    Elevation available: Let gravity do the work.




     
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    It doesnt produce enough water fast enough, and you have to pump it up hill, to start with.
    What do you do with all the salt you removed from the water? You cant just dump it into the ocean.

    We could do what your saying easier by collecting fresh water from rivers before it even gets to the ocean.

    Let mother earth do the desalinization for free.
     
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    Isn't that a perpetual motion machine?
     
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    Makes good sense but I wonder what would happen to ocean and river ecology. And what about places far away from a river? Why not just dam the river and draw from that? But then you have property rights and all. I would like to use evaporation to desalinate water.
     
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    Thats how they usually do it, but your still going to have to deal with salt and crap left behind.
     
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    Salt wouldn't be too hard to dispose of in a desert. Or just pump it back into the ocean.
     
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    It'll be toxic waste at that point.
     
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    Like the salt flats?
     
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    Possibly, but massive amounts of salt produced on an industrial scale.
     
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    We Canadians dump it on our roads along with sand to melt the ice so that we don't have as many car accidents in the winter. We can handle salt on an industrial scale.
     
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    It depends on the salinity of the water being pumped back into the ocean and the rate of return. I would think you would not want solid salt unless you want to make bricks out of it. You could keep a system with a constant current and take fresh water off the top through evaporation. As long as the water was warmer than the air it would condense like rainwater. The water would just go from ocean through evaporation and back into the ocean.
     
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    The point is to remove the water, and leave the salt and waste behind.
     
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    Why not take out freshwater and leaving more saline water behind to be absorbed by the ocean? No waste just some saltwater creep.
     

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