Bernie Sanders' Lake House

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Nightmare515, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry bub, average Joe's don't own homes in Burlington VT, most housing is owned by Housing Trusts created while Bernie was Mayor. Home ownership in the city is less than 30%. Owner occupied.
     
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    That house needs wheels!
     
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    I'm waiting for him to fairly redistribute his delegates earned so far.

    makes sense to me.
     
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    I don’t care what Bernie has or doesn’t have....as long as he minds his own business about what I have or don’t have.
     
  5. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Absolutely, I have no qualms about Bernie's net worth. I'd have no qualms about his net worth if he had Bloomberg money either and I believe Senators should earn the salary they receive.

    Why the "very rich"? His message is about injustice and immorality. It's "immoral" that the lower class often cannot afford health care and that large medical expenses can be devastating to the working class. It's "immoral" that the top 1% live in nice mansions and have expensive toys while we have thousands of Americans living on the street. It's immoral that the affluent American lifestyle is directly contributing to the rapidly deteriorating health of our planet. But Sanders has 3 houses. 2 can be justified fairly easily, he's a Senator from Vermont and he lives there so he obviously owns a home there, and he works in DC largely so he has an apartment there as well. But why a vacation home?

    If it's "immoral" that the very rich live in luxury while the poor suffer then is it not also immoral for the normal rich to live in luxury while the poor suffer? Or is it only immoral that Jeff Bezos lives in luxury while other Americans live in tents on street corners but it's not immoral for Bernie Sanders to live in luxury while other Americans live in tents on street corners?

    If something is immoral then it's immoral. It doesn't automatically become immoral if "they" do it but moral if "I" do it. If it's morally "wrong" for billionaires to have multiple homes while other Americans have no homes then it's morally wrong for millionaires to have multiple homes while other Americans have no homes. We don't just get to move to criticism goal posts back far enough to where they no longer include me and then criticize those folks for doing the same thing I am doing....
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Is that the same one who bankrupted a university? I'm sure you have a link...
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We both know this criticism is dumb. I'm not a Bernie fan but there's nothing hypocritical about being a "have" while believing that you and other "haves" should be taxed more to help out the "have nots." He's not saying that rich people should have to give away all their wealth. So why do you insist on making this ridiculous "he's a hypocrite" argument? You should instead focus on the fact that Bernie doesn't have a ****ing clue what he's talking about or any real plan for financing his batshit crazy ideas.
     
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    While one can say he is "poor" for a Senator, he is worth millions and has what, 4 homes? He's a damn hypocrite is what he is. Gawd help us if enough of the country, is foolish enough to vote for him.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I'm waiting to hear an answer from Bernie about his redistribution plan in general. That's what I don't really understand. How can one stand up and say that others have "too much" and it's an injustice that we need to reconcile with wealth redistribution when they themselves have "too much"?

    I'm sorry but no, some (not most) Vermonters have vacation cabins which is perfectly fine but a very select few have half a million dollar vacation homes. I struggle to understand the ideology to where the 1% is "too much" but a net worth of $2 million and a half a million dollar vacation lake house doesn't qualify as "too much".

    Even in 2020 that's a lot. That's more than the overwhelming vast majority of Americans will ever have.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    How is it not hypocritical to have while simultaneously saying that you and others shouldn't have it? Bernie Sanders believes that it is immoral and unjust for the rich to have so much wealth while the poor have almost nothing. If he believes that he shouldn't have that much wealth then why does he have it? If he believes he should be taxed more "fairly" then why is he not selling that $500,000 vacation house and writing a check to the US Government for the tax rate that he himself would fall under based on his own proposals?

    There is nothing ridiculous about that at all and it's a very valid argument. If you believe that we have an immoral problem of income inequality in America then how can you own a vacation property worth half a million dollars?

    I can't sit here and say that we need to tackle the beef industry to help combat climate change while I just stocked my freezer with Ribeye steaks...That would be hypocritical. I also can't sit here and claim that it's immoral for the very rich to have so much while we have Americans who literally live on the streets when me myself am rich and have 3 houses, one of which is a vacation property worth over half a million dollars. That too is hypocritical.
     
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    Bet he wont let the poor live in it, on the off season. How many days a year does he even sleep in it?
     
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    It's not his house...
     
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    Then why did that ******* vote for Obongocare which exempts Congress so they can keep their 'Cadillac Plan' insurance?

    Here's what you need to know about Bernie.....his message is socialism is for everyone else....besides him. He gives the same speeches that Vladimir Lenin gave. Identical. The same old ****. Straight out of the Communist Manifesto.

    Bernie's popularity says more about the piss-poor education of Americans than anything else. This is 1916 Russia all over again.
     
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    Sure, on paper.
     
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    I like how Sanders and Warren both chose arbitrary numbers for targeting the 'rich' that miraculously didn't include them. For folks without millions, $5 million is really no different than $50 million...
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    That is sort of the point of this thread and what I was trying to understand. Where is this arbitrary "red line" coming from and how are they coming up with it? That's why I asked about actual core values and what Bernie and supporters GENUINELY believe in.

    For example Conservatives and abortion. That's a debate that deals with true core values of folks. For many of these folks the underlying core value is that the taking of an innocent human life is wrong, period, including unborn life and there is very little wiggle room for "but" in there.

    From what I am hearing from Bernie and supporters is that the income inequality in America is morally wrong. That is one of the core values of the Bernie ideology. As i said before when it comes to genuine core values there is very little wiggle room or else they wouldn't really be core values. It's either wrong or it's not wrong, very little "but" in there.

    So as you said, for the working class and the poor there is little difference between $5 million and $50 million to the family struggling on minimum wage. I don't understand how, for someone who believes in this ideology, it's ok for one person to have $2 million and a 3 homes BUT it's not ok for someone to have $2 billion and 3 homes.

    It's either immoral for someone to have 3 homes while other Americans live in tents on street corners or it's not. The underlying fact that this is immoral or moral does not change based on whether the guy with 3 houses has X amount of money or X amount of money. The amount of money someone has is irrelevant to the underlying morality of the discussion.
     
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    Or at all. He doesn't live there and 'not on paper' means he has 0 legal standing to manage how the property is used. If Jane Sanders was running for president the criticism might be relevant. Even then it's still absurd becuase it was an inheritance, it's not like ExxonMobil bought the place as a gift. There is no corruption or hypocrisy here, it's just mindless mudslinging to influence low information voters who don't know the backstory about the house.
     
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    Imagine the numbers of needy people that could be housed, clothed and fed in trump's properties and with trump's sweatshop tat.
    Oh wait, the trumps don't do charity, except as scams.
    You people are already scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for ways to assassinate Bernie's character, but with a degenerate like trump as your poster boy, your attacks only sound desperate and hypocritical.
     
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    Actually, income inequality is unsustainable, and we can address it rationally now or we can re-do the French revolution and have the peasants eat the rich when they can't take it anymore.
     
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    So Sanders does not own multiple homes and is worth multi millions yet preaches about the "evils" of wealth? He is a damn hypocrite who never had a real job until he was 40 or so.
     
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    Trump is not preaching about the "evils" of wealth, while flying around on a private jet and being worth millions. The hypocrite, Sanders is.
     
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    We've had about 40 years of trickle-down economics in various forms. During that period, more wealth as a % has accumulated at the top and the middle class has been hollowed out. That is a deliberate policy of gaming advantages for the already wealthy at the expense of the rest.

    It's not about being jealous of other people's money; it's about fairness. As the pie had grown, everyone should get a bigger piece and that has not happened.

    I doubt Sanders would have much of a case if the whole country was doing better. His argument resonates precisely because it is not, at least not for an ever-increasing number of people.

    We don't need the charitable "generosity" of billionaires. We need a more equitable system
     
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    Since I am one of those "Bernie Bros" I am willing to discuss this with you.

    For starters house prices here in the Northeast are ridiculously high. A three bedroom townhouse can cost you $500k. A vacation house can cost even more than that in some places. An apartment in DC is probably higher still. Please don't try and compare the prices to those found in rural areas. In fact it is disingenuous to compare them.

    The next point is that Bernie is NOT wealthy by the standards of the Northeast either. He is 70 years old and the majority of his wealth comes from the INFLATED prices of the properties that he owns. Recalculate his wealth for the same homes in your area and he would be lucky to break a million.

    The next aspect is the NUMBER of homes. He NEEDS a home in VT and another place to stay in DC. Having a vacation home is a perk but the odds are it was probably acquired via inheritance rather than anything else.

    I sold my first home and purchased an apartment with the profits and turned it into a rental unit for the next 3 decades. I was moving around a lot until I needed a place to send my daughter to school so I purchased a home for us in the school district. My In-Laws re-registered their house in the name of their kids and so suddenly I was in a position of having two and a half properties. Given their locations and the inflated value of those properties and my net worth runs into millions just like it does for Bernie.

    That doesn't make either of us WEALTHY! It does not change the principles that we uphold about what is best for We the People. It is more a matter of just time and circumstance.

    Bernie is not someone who became wealthy by ruthlessly EXPLOITING others. He has SERVED his state and our nation for most of his adult life. His MODEST degree of wealth is NOT in stocks and bonds and McMansions and designer clothes. Instead it is merely the result of living within his means and the result of INFLATED property values.

    Hopefully that puts this into perspective.
     
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    Hypocrisy is when Trump, in the 80s, had homeless Vietnam vets arrested for having made his Manhattan property look "ugly," then praises vets while president.
     
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    Some average"Joe's" in fact do own homes in Burlington.

    Second - you did not address the issue of hypocrisy.
     

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