How do Democrats feel about Bernie looking like the eventual nominee?

Oh I'm not triggered by Matthews. I'm not part of the #FireChrisMatthews brigade. Those triggered people were Bernie supporters. I'm just enjoying the intra-party squabbles! Popcorn time for me!

 

I'm not so sure that a Bernie nomination leads automatically for 4 more years of Trump. At any rate, at least America will have a real choice this time whereby if another corporate democrat like Biden is the candidate with nothing new to offer except the same BS, I think Trump could eat him alive. Bernie has momentum and if he stands by his principles and gets a good running mate, I think he could give Trump a run for his money.

Good definition of Democratic Socialism - though I reject the term Marxist-Leninism as misnomer. I think Bolshevism was a betrayal of Marx.

Yea, it is very disturbing to see the political discussion moving from a more or less fact based (it was never truly fact based but at least newspaper journalists had a code of ethics and standards of conduct) interpretation to one where all manner of discourse seems to exist in bubbles of conformation bias where people just make up a narrative that suits their own belief system and refuse to entertain any idea that disturbs some cherished belief system they have branded themselves with.

There are so many interesting voices out there that just don't get into the public sphere of TV news organizations like CNN, MSN and especially Fox. These outlets just trot out the same old "experts" out for public consumption who regurgitate the same old narrative of American power and exceptionalism. I mean James Clapper as an honest voice on how American intelligence works - give me a break!

Getting big money out of politics will be as big a challenge as getting religion out of politics (not that religion ever really went away but still) was for another generation. That is the trouble with an economic system that allow wealth and political power to be so entrenched in the hands of a small elite - the system stops serving the people. Historically, a system that has broken down under it's own corruption coughs up figures like Donald Trump who serve to distract from the wreckage we see all around us. this was as true in Rome as it is today in the age of Twitter and Facebook. It becomes all about spectacle and tawdry theatre over substance.

So many subjects are so badly taught. America is the most propagandized nation on Earth. I wonder in the current political climate if teachers could even get away with teaching proper civics, history or philosophy. Probably be black-listed by parents themselves who don't understand how little exposure to thoughts and ideas their kids are getting.

Nowhere I have seen are people like Sheldon Wolin, Howard Zinn or philosophers like Marx or Dewey discussed with any detail or thoughtfulness. I could be wrong as I have little contact with the American education system but I can only go by the level of discourse I see in politics.

Opposing views to the official narrative are just drummed out of view or shouted down by all the noise.

 

I have liberal relatives that dont want him the nominee because they dont think he electable by the general electorate. They themselves are fine with him...they are mainly interested in the free healthcare....even though they have blue ribbon above standard government hc benefits ...and I believe they think everyone would have the posh healthcare they have....

 

No. Bernie has probably a 20-30% chance of winning, like Trump in 2016. Long shots happen, but things have to break their way. It would have been better for the dems to settle on a moderate like Amy.

Who knows? It's all going to depend on turnout, and how bad this virus is going to get. If it causes a recession, Trump will lose a major reelection argument: the strength of the economy.

Bernie's not even a socialist. He wants free college and healthcare and tax the rich. Those aren't crazy ideas, and while they're socialistic, so is Medicare. We've had that around for a long time. It's popular. Bernie doesn't want govt. controlling the means of production, which is where you get into real trouble. Bernie wants to expand a hybrid capitalist/socialist system that is already in place here.

That being said, Bernie's popular with about 40% of Dems. The votes of the other 60% are diluted five different ways. We're having the same problem you guys had in 2016.

They're the majority of the party, so yeah.

 

The president signed whatever bill Congress passed as regards the distribution of funds. He had no right whatsoever to refuse the funding based upon "conditions". Namely that the president of the Ukraine should "rat" on Biden's son who was on the BOD of a Ukrainian company.

Get your facts straight! This is just one more proof of how this current jerk-of-a-PotUS has not the slightest understanding of his legal boundary-limits* ... !

*Without which the US becomes a manipulator country on the same par as Russia!

 

"How do Democrats feel about Bernie looking like the eventual nominee?"


love it, Bernie will be our next President

 

You're right, Trump proved there are no checks and balances on the Presidency, remember that when Bernie is President

Bernie can create the "Health Force" as a part of the Military and use that to fund his fight against threats to Americans health

 

after the immoral Trump was elected, does the religious right still play any part in the Repub party -- aside from being tokens?

 

that's what the right have been doing isn't it - dems turn

 

that mindset is changing, now that people see he is electable and the most able to beat Trump, support for Bernie is gaining

even many republicans are switching to support Bernie

even Joe Rogan feeling the Bern....

 

Trump is in his 70's, he is not changing, Republicans thought he might, but he is never gonna change, he is a narcissist with a fragile ego... that won't change

 

Your "posh healthcare" costs in the US are twice that of most other countries. Whyzzat?

Because (for instance) a privatized GP in the US earns $210K a year whilst the same GP (working for a National Healthcare System) in Europe earns half that amount ($109K at today's dollar-euro exchange rate). That simple fact explains why National Healthcare in Europe is far less expensive than Total Healthcare in the US! Because a medical degree in the US costs one helluva-lot more in the US than in Europe. (I live in France and sent my kids to university for a tuition of less than $1k a year!)

Which is why I keep saying that as we are swept-up by the Change of Ages (from the Industrial to the Information Age) that is upon us, we must quickly fund state learning-institutions to accommodate those wishing to pursue a post-secondary schooling. (Vocational, Associate, Bachelor, Masters, Doctorate.) And that cost should be as low as humanly possible*.

If we do not educate our children across the board we shall be facing a dereliction-of-duty, with massive unemployment worse than that which has reduced Industrial Employment to 12% of the population down from 40% since the 1980s ...

*Hillary assimilated Bernie's proposition of tuition-free tertiary-education for all families earning up to $100K a year. And the Electoral College stole-the-election from her and gave it to Donald Dork, who has done NOTHING to make it easier to obtain a post-secondary school degree. Absolutely Nothing!

 

DESPERATE TIMES

If so, I hope he choses Warren to be VP - because he is going to need her.

Bernie is 78, and the presidency is better handled by someone more youthful. It is one huge MOUNTAIN of responsibility.

Still, Bernie knows exactly what the country needs. But what he needs also is a Congress that goes along with him.

Which he may or may not get. BE CAREFUL - the Replicant knotheads in the Senate will try to manage Bernie in exactly the same manner that they voted Donald Dork "innocent". It would be wise for American voters to let the Senate fall into the hands of the Dems. With both the Senate and the HofR along with a PotUS, they could get things done;

But, as a nation, we don't often to do that. And for good reason: That is one helluva concentration of legislative-power and in the wrong hands it can be disastrous.

But neither did we deserve a Donald Dork, and yet the Electoral College pushed it down our collective-throats!

As the saying goes, "Desperate times require desperate measures" ...

 

Bernie can't beat Trump. But none of the others can either. I wanna see the left say a big FU to the establishment by noming him. I think it'll set a good stage for 2024.

 

Yes, because removing your criminal IMPOTUS is the PRIORITY in 2020.

Nope! Your criminal IMPOTUS is going to need every Russian asset he can get in order to dupe the voters TWICE!

The current ESTABLISHMENT Dem is nothing but the odious GOP-Lite. They are history and it is time to hand over the DP to the Millennials now.

Bernie is a MODERATE when it comes to being a Social Democrat.

Unlike the GOP the DP is OPEN to EVERYONE and that includes those who are moderates.

If you are looking for "tokens" you can find them in the GOP.

I am an Independent and I feel just fine about Bernie being my candidate of choice for 2020. While I would prefer Warren I will support Bernie because what matters is REMOVING your criminal IMPOTUS from the Oval office and bringing him to justice.

 

he is running against the old man Trump

but I agree, Warren would make a good VP pick for him

also agree, we need to also control congress, at least 50 seats, but that is true regardless who wins

 

Bernie beats Trump easy, Dems will be out in record numbers to get this idiot out of the Presidency Republican could lose the Senate big too, they have a lot of seats open this year

 

So? Would you prefer to return to the economic malaise and national decline that Trump has allowed us to pull ourselves out of just to deny him the satisfaction and suppress his ego?

 

What's fun for me with this thread is that finally when some of the usual Left of Center posters began responding, nary a singly one actually tackled a single question in any sort of meaningful manner. I think that those questions are ones that they have secretly asked themselves and they are frightened at the answers that -- at what still passes for logic among them -- they privately deliver up. Sweet!

 

Hopefully you didn't sprain anything when you patted yourself on your own back that hard!

As for being frightened by the answers it says volumes that you are pretending that you never received any "meaningful" responses.

 

As the nation is painfully aware after 2016, predictions predicated upon rationality can go insanely awry.

Millions more Americans voted against Trump than for him, and most have consistently, relentlessly, registered their disapproval of trumpery. No frenzy of pom pom flailing can change that reality.

Is Senator Sanders' fanciful agenda for achieving the efficient, universal heath coverage of advanced nations any more unrealistic that the reality tv entertainer's promise of "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" at "less cost!"

How did that work out?

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So yet another Left of Center poster refuses to answer any of the questions in a meaningful manner. Interesting.

 

I hear what you are saying, the exact issues you have, I have with democratic supporters which means I'll hold my nose and vote for trump.

crazy world eh?

 

As did Rosenstein when mueller indicted Russians.

 

In retrospect I will give you credit for tackling the actual questions. The fact that you resorted to boiler plate party propaganda on the final one, notwithstanding. Nice job over all. Bernie definitely is a socialist and at least a closet Marxist. The political Left can deny it all they want but he has left behind too many interview segments over the decades to cover that particular pig with attractive lipstick color.