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If you spent $100 million of your own cash on something wouldn't you say that you bought it?

 

Your post reads like you're afraid of the mega-rich. Maybe they need another tax break??

Get some perspective here. We've had much higher tax rates in this country before .... back when America was "great". Then we had a much lower national debt, too, which now hangs like an albatross around any future presidents neck. Four decades of lowering the tax rate has seen four decades of an increasing debt. Funny how that is.

Really, though, Bernie could likely get some of his proposals funded without "breaking the bank". His Medicare for all should be self-funding strictly as a matter of dollars and cents.

From the Lancet article Bernie references:

Published:February 15, 2020
Taking into account both the costs of coverage expansion and the savings that would be achieved through the Medicare for All Act, we calculate that a single-payer, universal health-care system is likely to lead to a 13% savings in national health-care expenditure, equivalent to more than US$450 billion annually (based on the value of the US$ in 2017). The entire system could be funded with less financial outlay than is incurred by employers and households paying for health-care premiums combined with existing government allocations. This shift to single-payer health care would provide the greatest relief to lower-income households. Furthermore, we estimate that ensuring health-care access for all Americans would save more than 68 000 lives and 1·73 million life-years every year compared with the status quo.

 

How would that help, a 40% one time payment.....then no more. How is that a help?

 

the rich, and their lawyers, always find a way around things.

I'm not against a moderate increase on the wealthy, in particular the uber wealthy, start with lifting the cap on ss which will hit hard, on upper middle and up but they will deal with it. cap benefits over x as well, then hit capital gains with a bump over a million or 2. ss revenue is good but federal tax revenue is better.

and again, the wealthy will work around a. much of that. boatloads of shelters and loopholes will give them tons of outs but I suspect that many of those current loopholes are already being maxed out.

I personally thought the corporate cut was too aggressive, 5% less would likely have a similar result.
(zero economics education so take with a grain of salt)

 

who is giving up that 450 billion annually without a fight?

 

I would...and let's face it...he did buy it

 

Whether you agree with Sanders or not, one thing is clear. The very rich have historically paid more in taxes than they now do. Some of the richest have said they have no objection to paying more, but what happens? They get more tax breaks even as our debt increases.

And, yes, you seem to be worried about offending these people as if they'll just pack up and move and we're out all that money. I got news for you. It ain't gonna happen.

Personally, I don't agree with all of Sanders proposals and, even if I did, think he's reaching too far. Medicare 4 all is not reaching too far, however. Beyond that, I would only say that student loans should be restructured so as to give some relief to those owing, but not forgiven. Free college? Nope, but it should be more affordable. It once was, but seemed to rise in line with student loans. $15 minimum wage? Nope. $10 or $11, sure. That's in line with inflation.

 

There's the rub, but the current system is getting unstainable. Face it, with or without insurance, people get medical care. Some just have to wait til they're really sick for the system to deal with them, then it just leads to a worse outcome and is more expensive. In the end, we're paying for it anyway.

 

With the coronavirus out there, it was refreshing to learn that Biden was in charge of the responses to the ebola virus outbreak during the Obama Admin....remember he said he'd be all over this, and handle it much in the same way.....that lasted three years, was the worst in history, and killed over 11K people.....

Yeah....so.....

 

CNN lying about Collusion had more effect then a few trolling Facebook ads. You understand that right? SnL turned more people off to Trump then Russia could ever have imagined “hurting Hillary”. The hoax is that Trump worked with them. It’s categorically false. No evidence was found to make it even remotely true, which makes all the investigations that were started based on that LIE even more erroneous.

 

the poor get Medicaid, disabled get Medicare, middle class buy or receive insurance, elderly get Medicare, the gap is the lower middle and illegals along with tons of volunteer uninsured. wouldn't it be cheaper to expand the assistance? were already paid down 20 million peeps with the aca.

Medicare for more vs m4a?

is there a chart somewhere that has the estimated demographics of the uninsured?

(prolly mountains of data on that)

 

The Lancet article seems to reflect my intuitive sense. The work is in crafting the Goldilocks legislation that would realize those savings.

I believe that Medicare 4 all would be the cheapest route if done correctly. If we could insure everyone and still save money, why not?

One very nice thing about Medicare 4 all is that a person is not tied to a job just for the insurance. People would have more mobility in the job market. We need that as it is a fact that job security is not what it once was and many could put years into a job and find themselves pushed out through no fault of their own. It's just the way of the world these days and we need a medical care system that reflects that reality and is responsive to it.

 

Great cartoon! Today's Democrat Party: Socialists and Billionaires. Also... gotta' love the return of "chocker".

 

I see both sides, but dont have faith in govt efficiency. what happens to advantage plans, is there a premium, part b?

its upsetting the apple cart for 80% to solve the problems of the 20%, the same 20% that are usually the problem in many other categories and get or need other assistance.

 

I'm just askin to see if you knew, I have no idea.

 

That 80% is just one layoff or business closure away from being a part of that 20%, to use your numbers. Job security, and with it benefits security (i.e. health insurance) is becoming a thing of the past.

If the Lancet is correct in its estimation of a savings of $450 billion annually while covering everyone, what is there to be against? If Sanders (or anybody for that matter) implemented Medicare 4 all and nothing else, that savings amounts to half of our annual budget deficit. How is that a bad thing? Take that savings and tweak out a few other things (tax code and bloated military spending) and we're back to a balanced budget, or at least damn close.

 

Trump fault. He got the full amount he wanted, all of it. He refused. His fault.

 

Of course you don't, you believe what Fox told you instead of the facts.

 

Trump has repeatedly said he’d be willing to deal on DACA. He wanted Congress to solve it and it not be connected to an illegal EO

 

They couldn't go after Sanders all that hard because what he overtly believes in they secretly believe in; it's just that they are still pretending to have traditional values.