Watch live: CBS News Democratic debate

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by US Conservative, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    153,325
    Likes Received:
    38,994
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No totally her decision even when Trump lowered his offer she refused to counter.
     
    US Conservative likes this.
  2. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2018
    Messages:
    15,033
    Likes Received:
    9,491
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't know. We do not have that down here.
     
  3. Rugglestx

    Rugglestx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2018
    Messages:
    4,161
    Likes Received:
    3,145
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Rich folk...all Berine’s money is coming from taxin the rich folk.

    Of course he does not know how much he needs...but just tax em till the bill is paid.

    Poor Bernie, his last chance at the WH and he is blowing it...
     
    US Conservative likes this.
  4. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    7,664
    Likes Received:
    6,183
    Trophy Points:
    113
    any savings (if there really is one) wouldn't directly go to the deficit.

    the government is not an efficient machine.

    any plan proposed would be chopped up. amended, distorted, and worse in the process and there is no way in hell I (and millions like me) save money.
     
    AmericanNationalist likes this.
  5. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think deal time is long over now. There's no reason for Trump to invite the democrats to his table now.
     
  6. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,653
    Likes Received:
    37,410
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No evidence of a crime, lots of evidence of collusion.
     
  7. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    94,819
    Likes Received:
    15,788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I was referring to Billionaires taking their money and moving their personal assets off shore.
     
  8. glitch

    glitch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2006
    Messages:
    13,607
    Likes Received:
    2,167
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How many of them don't further grow an already bloated government?
     
  9. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,155
    Likes Received:
    20,936
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    To quote Bill Clinton: It depends on what your definition of "is", is. If by 'evidence' you mean rampant media speculation articles, we know. We were drowned in them. Fellow Americans should be ashamed and embarrassed, that we have that much disregard for honesty.

    "No American has been charged with this crime." "No American is in connection with or suspected of these crimes.". From Rod Rosenstein, and he's the one CONFIRMED to wear a wire against Donald Trump. He may be willing to wear a wire, but he's not willing to lie to the Public. And props to him for that silver of honesty.

    The "Mueller Investigation" quickly devolved into what is essentially a financial fraud case, spearheaded by Paul Manafort. Roger Stone was sentenced for giving Congress a middle finger(lack of cooperation) and I wish it weren't a thing. We citizens should have full right to choose not to "cooperate". Congress is NOT an arm of law enforcement, it should not have subpoena power.

    It is a disgraced eyesore of an "American Parliament." And then there's the Michael Flynn case, a case that's been botched so badly that the prosecution is just desperate to get it closed and not have to answer for the litany of problems: 302's missing, Possible threats to Michael Flynn, if the case goes to trial the discovery will have the opportunity to bear that out. And much more.

    We did not achieve justice with the Mueller investigation. We found no Ruskies and we wasted 33 million dollars. We also ruined the privacy rights of US Citizen Carter Page. Crossfire Hurricane is what happens when you let bias, rumors and speculation cloud your judgment.

    Let me repeat: "Trump-Russia" was a fiction in your(and others) minds, and it is CLOUDING YOUR JUDGMENT. Take a fresh air of reality, and you can disagree with Trump on policy while remaining grounded on earth. That's what we need now and it's what the people who were in charge of Crossfire Hurricane needed.
     
    struth and glitch like this.
  10. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,653
    Likes Received:
    37,410
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Trump Russia was FAR from fiction. Criminal conspiracy was unproven, collusion was obvious but legal.
     
  11. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,653
    Likes Received:
    37,410
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Did tariffs and farm welfare grow the government?
     
  12. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,352
    Likes Received:
    17,344
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No. A bunch of people who hated him believes a bunch of stories, speculation and theories. NOTHING was even close to proven. By your logic Obama could have been a Muslim sympathizer because a handful of people thought so. Now if the MSM got on board and a bunch of journalists agreed, I guess he was born in another country and had terrorist ties....hey he met with some people and had some questionable family members and was married by a racist America hating radical, so he could be what some thought he was....because feelings. :)
     
  13. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,653
    Likes Received:
    37,410
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No crimes were proven. That’s true. Turns out collusion isn’t illegal
     
  14. glitch

    glitch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2006
    Messages:
    13,607
    Likes Received:
    2,167
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Tariffs did not. Farm welfare did but hopefully temporarily. I don't believe that Trump has been fiscally responsible. We certainly don't need to compound the problem by enacting this stack of government growing pulp.
     
    AmericanNationalist likes this.
  15. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,352
    Likes Received:
    17,344
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But collusion wasn’t proven either. You understand that right? Hillary colluded with foreign agents though to flush up dirt on Trump . That’s a fact.
     
    AmericanNationalist likes this.
  16. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,653
    Likes Received:
    37,410
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Name one foreign agent Hillary or anyone in her campaign had contact with
    Unlike trumps campaign manager who met with 2 russian govt agents about the campaign
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2020
  17. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    33,519
    Likes Received:
    17,956
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Michael Steele.....

    What two Russian Govt agents met with the Trump campaing?
     
  18. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,155
    Likes Received:
    20,936
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Let's entertain the hilarity of this. They "colluded" in the sense that Russians promoted pro-Trump messaging, meanwhile Trump also promoted pro-Trump messaging. That means that we collude every day we endorse something or someone. That's not a collusion.

    See, this is desperately grasping at straws to A: Keep a boogeyman(Putin) but also to "deny" the reality of his being President(since that might actually be the real nightmare to you.)

    Look, I was a Liberal during the Bush Administration, and that administration was a nightmare. I opposed the War in Iraq, and when Paulson said "700 million was just a really big number", that was the lowpoint of low points for an incredibly awful administration of government. But even so, I didn't protest Bush's authority as President.(I was just coming of age of course, being 16 during Obama's 2008 run, so that might be part of the reason.)

    The point was, if I could stand Bush-Obama, I can stand Trump. Luckily, none of what he's done has drawn substantial blowback in foreign relations(other than the Europeans complaining that we dare to hold their feet to the fire. Something we should do anyway if this is an alliance and not political prostitution.). The economy may very well be a bubble, but it was a bubble for a long time with student/credit card debt. If Bernie gets his plan through, that might actually help with things that are desperately needed for reform.

    I'm sure Trump ironically would be in favor. It'd be right up his alley. But democrats have shown= "zero cooperation. Trump is enemy #1". So if credit card reform requires Bernie, then I guess so be it.
     
  19. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,653
    Likes Received:
    37,410
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The boxing Ref?
    The lawyer and Kilimnik
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2020
  20. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2012
    Messages:
    29,682
    Likes Received:
    3,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Who wants to live in Ireland? Why do you think so many Irish left there? It sucks.
     
  21. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2015
    Messages:
    66,099
    Likes Received:
    68,212
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Ireland has always had a tough history.

     
  22. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,155
    Likes Received:
    20,936
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Manafort engaged with Klimnik, as a part of his scheme with the European group(it's a complex hedge fund scheme that I don't care for, nor would we have a care for if not for the "Russian investigation." It's something and I always contended this: Should've been handled out of the Financial Division.) There's literally not a spit political about Manafort's crimes, other than his association to Trump(which as the Judge ruled during and throughout the trial had no baring on the case before him.)

    Which brings us to yes, Ms. Natalie who happened to have connections with a certain Glenn Simpson. Remember him? Of Fusion GPS infamy, and frankly I still believe he lied to Congress when he refused to disclose the "sources" to Steele's fan fiction of "collusion", laughably asserting some sources were dead.

    The IG report, reported no such thing. Congress laughably let Levy and Simpson go, I bet Roger Stone wishes such levity were onto him. As far as the Trump Tower meeting? As I stated at the time when we learned that Lynch let her stay: Psy-ops operation. The FBI was clearly operating within the United States, and the evidence afterwards has only strengthened that.

    If I were a member of Congress today, not that it'd do me much good given that Nadler is chairman over the Judiciary Committee, but I would ask him if these powers were to be abused by Donald Trump, would that be acceptable? Simpson's lies are still, even today of absolute necessity to the committee.

    Levy, Simpson and Natalie need to testify before the committee about the nature of their contact, as well as the whom of these sources and to what work did they do in actually verifying anything. And if any of them collaborated with law enforcement during or before Trump's candidacy.
     
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2020
    glitch likes this.
  23. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    94,819
    Likes Received:
    15,788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's a beautiful country that speaks English. U-2 Moved their company HQ there due to the taxes.
     
    US Conservative likes this.
  24. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    94,819
    Likes Received:
    15,788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Fusion GPS was hired by her campaign attorney.

    Kamala Harris campaign lawyer hired Fusion GPS for Hillary Clinton

    They contacted foreign agents on her behalf.
     
    US Conservative and glitch like this.
  25. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,653
    Likes Received:
    37,410
    Trophy Points:
    113

Share This Page