How do Democrats feel about Bernie looking like the eventual nominee?

Yep. The left just cant accept the results of the investigations

 

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER MUST BENEFIT

The above strikes a bell-note for me. Namely because I don't live in the US, and I am asked (as a known Yank) "What the hell is going on in the US?" and "Just who-the-hell does this Donald Jerk think he is?".

The EU (European Union) has grown up. That is, it is no longer that sad-affair devastated by WW2. (Maybe England has not recovered from the fact that though it won the war it has not succeeded half as well economically as the rest of Europe - and especially its ancient enemy, Germany.)

It is not economically at parity with the US, but close enough. The comparative GDP per person looks like this graphically:

So, the two economies, though very different intrinsically, track one another well.

But, that is not the real difference. GDP per capita is an overall statistic, and the real comparative is in "how well we live". And there the distinction from the US of the EU is stark.

For instance: Lifespan & Lifestyle
*The lifespan in Europe is at least four years longer than the US, and this is attributed to a first-class and much-lower-cost National Healthcare System. (As shown here.) Life expectancy in the US is much lower than that of Europe - for instance, my lifespan here in France is 82.3 years and yours in the US is 78.6, that is, a difference of 3.7-years.
*The cost of a post-secondary education in Europe vs USA (in dollars), which determines significantly the level of one's lifestyle:
-USA ... $8202
-Germany ... $0.00
-Italy ... $1658
-Netherlands ... $2420
-Spain ... $1830
-Sweden ... $0.00
*Question: What percent of people in the US pursue tertiary education currently?
Answer: In 2018, an average of 49% of 25-34 year-olds in the United States had attained tertiary education which was higher than the OECD average of 44% but lower than 9 other OECD countries.

For as long as the US wants private-companies to provide Healthcare and private-universities Education, the disparate differences shown above will continue to prevail ...

PS: No, I am NOT in favor of governments doing everything. That failure was well shown in the ex-Communist countries of Europe. But in two areas that are key to lifestyle, then yes, the government must provide the means (subsidized by national-taxation to assure that the maximum number benefit).

 

THE MAXIMUM NUMBER MUST BENEFIT

The above strikes a bell-note for me. Namely because I don't live in the US, and I am asked (as a known Yank) "What the hell is going on in the US?" and "Just who-the-hell does this Donald Jerk think he is?".

The EU (European Union) has grown up. That is, it is no longer that sad-affair devastated by WW2. (Maybe England has not recovered from the fact that though it won the war it has not succeeded half as well economically as the rest of Europe - and especially its ancient enemy, Germany.)

It is not economically at parity with the US, but close enough. The comparative GDP per person looks like this graphically:

So, the two economies, though very different intrinsically, track one another well.

But, that is not the real difference. GDP per capita is an overall statistic, and the real comparative is in "how well we live". And there the distinction from the US of the EU is stark.

For instance: Lifespan & Lifestyle
*The lifespan in Europe is at least four years longer than the US, and this is attributed to a first-class and much-lower-cost National Healthcare System. (As shown here.) Life expectancy in the US is much lower than that of Europe - for instance, my lifespan here in France is 82.3 years and yours in the US is 78.6, that is, a difference of 3.7-years.
*The cost of a post-secondary education in Europe vs USA (in dollars), which determines significantly the number that graduate and the the level of one's lifestyle:
-USA ... $8202
-Germany ... $0.00
-Italy ... $1658
-Netherlands ... $2420
-Spain ... $1830
-Sweden ... $0.00
*Question: What percent of people in the US pursue tertiary education currently?
Answer: In 2018, an average of 49% of 25-34 year-olds in the United States had attained tertiary education which was higher than the OECD average of 44% but lower than 9 other OECD countries.

For as long as the US wants private-companies to provide Healthcare and private-universities Education, the disparate differences shown above will continue to prevail ...

PS: No, I am NOT in favor of governments doing everything. That failure was well shown in the ex-Communist countries of Europe. But in two areas above that are key to lifestyle/lifespan, then yes, the government must provide the means (subsidized by national-taxation) to assure that the maximum number benefit.

 

Good point, well made - of which I had not thought and thank you ... !

 

Yes, it is. It's socialist not because they claim the label but because of the way they want to run the country. Regardless of what you say- what you do is who you are.
Socialism doesn't have to be a mirror of the Karl Marx ideology, it's subject to creativity like most things. If it finds way to control as if it had ownership but leaving the responsibilities and consequences on the private "owners", it is still socialism- just veiled a bit. This is what has happened in Venezuela. Having managed contract projects there personally, I watched the effects of it. The government controlled prices. Every product has a maximum price it could be sold for. If you bought a can of Coke- The maximum price was stamped right into the metal. They were "protecting" the consumers. If a manufacturer could prove they were losing money, they could apply for "subsidy" payment to bridge the gap between cost to produce and price of sale. Everything was controlled. They also had a wage control. I didn't have a way to know exactly how that was implemented, but Venezuelans on the project told me that it was also set. The government made up the shortfalls with profits from oil money, state owned. When oil price fell, they borrowed money from world bank and others. When the banks told them there credit was used up and would not be restored unless they went to a free-market economy, they held their ground for some time, and failed to pay the manufacturers losses. A blackmarket blossomed, crime grew. Smuggling grew. Then they decided they had to remove some price caps- but did so poorly. The prices of goods released from controls soared. The goods that were still price controlled were not for sale- even though they were in plain sight, because their value would soar when the government released them in the future. Banks would sit on money transfers, waiting to gain from currency exchanges. For example, the control of gas price was lifted, but the price of taxi and bus fares was not, leaving operators of those services unable to survive, and with out subsidy. Grocery costs soared, wages did not. The people rioted, hundreds were killed. Martial law declared. All night curfew imposed nationwide. I was there during it- trying to make a project move; but in the end it was lost too. That was in 1989- and despite all that upheaval, the government hung on to it's fundamental dedication to socialist ideology- and the dictatorial power it gives leaders- and never allowed the nation to go back to a free-market. Today, it has managed the total destruction of a beautiful nation and a good and gentle people. I still communicate occasionally with a good friend I made their.

At a time prior to all this, Venezuela was the richest nation in South America. It is now the poorest, with 94% of it's population living in poverty. I guess you could say most Venzuelans are now living in "equality", but the fact is they are living in hell. Still- the socialists preserve their power, while the people starve. Today, a roll of toilet paper in Venezuela weighs less than the pile of paper money it takes to buy it. Literally, a person could wipe their backside with money at lower cost than with toilet paper. That is the state of inflation they have experienced.

Power over the economic engine, over how property is bought or sold , IS power over both property and people.
It is the ultimate corruption mechanism, and Bernie Sanders thinks it's a great idea. He thinks that his would be different.
Bernie needs to run for office in Venezuela, become their president and show us what he can do.

 

I’m withholding judgement on who may win in 2020 because the Corona Virus has a higher death rate for elder people

This virus could easily remove Trump and or Sanders, Biden etc as well as the old guard US Congress members of Republican and Democrat parties alike

 

I think he's attracted to some socialism, but why do you think he's an out-and-out socialist (besides calling himself one)? Do you think he secretly desires a true "socialist paradise"? His earlier stuff certainly suggests an affinity for it. I'll give you that.

 

The only reason why anyone is even talking about the Russians is because Podesta and the DNC were both dumb enough to give away their e-mail login info. If no one repeats that type of dumb assedness this year, then the impact by the Russians will not even be felt

 

FL, I also have absolutely no question about Bernies core identity as a fully committed socialist. There are two reasons. One is the positions he is endorsing, but the other and most significant is that the man has endorsed and preached it all his life. What he chooses to call it is irrelevant, the identity is clear. The position he is willing to demonstrate as a candidate is unquestionably softened to be more palatable to the voters he must influence, which is natural. His true visions of how things ought to be would surface and magnify if he were given power. This has such terrible consequences for the nation that it simply must not happen. The fact he even gets any support makes me question the state of mind of those who buy into what he is selling, because the danger should be obvious to any rational person. An "affinity" does not dominate a person's perspective for their entire life. Bernie is hard-core.

 

Russia is backing Sanders over other Democratic candidates simply because they believe Sanders would be the easiest opponent for Trump to defeat in November. And, Trump is their guy in the White House.

 

The Establishment is scared of Bernie - no doubt about it.

 

United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp says otherwise.

Now, in theory, there may be an instance in which Congress has, in the body of legislation, left zero wiggle room to the Executive branch in the distribution of foreign aid, but no one has made that claim, demonstrated it, or explained why foreign aid to the Ukraine for FY 2019 would be different from all other Congressional approvals of foreign aid. You've certainly not done it and don't seem well informed at all on the subject, but I'm open to you educating yourself and having a discussion on the issue.

 

I've seen Trump called a Russian connection dozens of times- never seen any rational reason to believe it other than dem propaganda, which is self-serving politics, not facts.
Why do you think the Russians would help Trump? It's reasonable to think they would prefer someone they can understand and feel is stable rather than a loose cannon, but another to think he would benefit them in some way at cost to this country. Got any foundation for your position?

 

Obama pulled us out of the Republican Bush's economic disaster.... Trump is just riding the Obama wave, and all signs say Trump is gonna pass off a recession to the next President

 

Self-reliant, hard-working, self-responsible people need to be scared of Bernie too - no doubt about it.

 

You are quoting a Supreme Court decision that is dated December 21st, 1936. I suggest that given its age, the ruling is antiquated and no longer relevant.

All of above cited relate to a period of time - before WW2 - that is now highly dated and therefore irrelevant!

And so? There was plenty of coverage in the press as regards DD's effort to find dirt on Biden by means of Biden's son!

I am making the claim that Donald Dork overstepped his privileges as PotUS by involving himself and his administration in "business" of no relevance whatsoever to America's foreign-policy. (Of which, yes, the PotUS is responsible.)

This was entirely a private matter regarding Biden's son sitting on the BOD of a company in the Ukraine, by which Donald Dork had no business whatsoever to interfere since there is no relevance whatsoever to American foreign-policy.

DD's only concern was to obtain "dirt" that he could use because he thought that Biden had the best chances of being chosen as Dem-candidate against him next November ... !

 

Nope

Not even close

That's lie saying fish and Zebras are the same species

 

Bollocks! You don't even know the definition of Socialism. Key to that definition is that the government owns all the means of production.

Nobody but nobody believes that to be a necessity nowadays (except in exceptional circumstances ), such as wartime when it is an absolutely necessity for the government to order the production of necessary armaments.

Its usage is typical of Replicants who are capable of the most fascinating logical-ellipses when it comes to debating politics ...

 

Blah, blah, blah and more blah.

Go away ...

 

Why is that ? What is Big Bad Bernie going to do to Self-Reliant hard working people ?

 

Nothing. But neither is that the point.

The point (to my mind) is that Bernie is an admirable dreamer. He is also "getting on". What needs to be done is a tremendously arduous-task of multiple objectives.

Which is why we need a younger person to lead the country towards accepting some exceptional legislation that it needs desperately - for instance, like a National Healthcare Service.

Elizabeth would be the better choice. She has vision and the intellectual fortitude to pursue her legislative goals.

Bernie for VP ... ?

 

Trump is a Russiaphile. Russians are primarily Slavic people, & both of Trump's wives were Slavs--from Czechoslavakia & Slovenia. That had to have some impact on him. He worked on getting a tower built in Moscow before he became a candidate for President. That effort was still ongoing thru the campaign, & possibly after the inauguration. Trump not only has a soft spot for Russia, but also admires strong, authoritative leaders--especially Putin. I find it uncomfortable that Trump has demeaned our European allies of decades past, while praising Putin for a variety of things since 2015. Trump has repeatedly attacked NATO as outdated & useless--which it certainly isn't. But weakening NATO is one of Putin's highest goals. Trump is a great help to Putin with that. Also, Trump suddenly & unexpectedly withdrew all Americans from Syria last year. That left a political void for leadership there, & it was both Turkey & Russia that rushed in to fill that void. Trump even stated publicly that he was "OK" with Russians moving in & occupying former American bases & outposts abandoned under his orders. I can't imagine any former President behaving in such a manner.

 

I don't like Lizzy - too fake. She is also an Establishment wonk - who showed here true colors when she suggested criminalizing so called "fake news".

I agree that Bernie is pushing the age barrier - but - he does have a solid Anti Establishment track record.

 

LOL!

Bernie and his policies rock! Take from the producers, and give to the losers, go away indeed!

 

Take their money and give it to utopians, that's what.