How do Democrats feel about Bernie looking like the eventual nominee?

I wonder if Bernie will make Trump look like a fiscal conservative?

 

He also wants to grant free education, welfare and more to illegals, to eliminate ICE, the Border Patrol, and deportations.

Imagine telling the world that anybody who wants to come here and walk in can get free education, welfare and health care. That isn't all that he advocates, but that is more than enough to destroy the nation is short order.

How is it possible that any sane person can support that?

 

I doubt Norway is.even that stupid.

 

I suspect that democrats feel the same about Bernie being their candidate that a guy would feel if he met his bride's mother for the first time and saw that she weighed five hundred pounds. You're in this now, but your future isn't looking so bright anymore bro.

 

Establishment me-arse! Wanna kill Bernie? That's what your asking of him.

He's already had one bit of a heart-problem, and it is indicative of what can happen. In which case his VP must take the reigns. (OK, so Elizabeth for VP. She would be fine interacting with the Legislature to pass necessary legislation. And as a replacement "just in case".)

You just don't want a female as PotUS! Admit it!

I agree that Bernie is pushing the age barrier - but - he does have a solid Anti Establishment track record.[/quote]

Indeed he does. But it is NOT ENOUGH for the grind necessary to win this election and then pass meaningful legislation. Whilst Elizabeth has proven to have the courage, intelligence and the will to do so. She was a Replicant until 1996 and a Democrat since that date! Meaning she has a good political grasp of both sides of any issue/law before Congress.

You wanna kill Bernie? Then what?

Then the Dems are up Shat-Creek without a paddle, that's what! Which is why the choice of VP is key if Bernie wins the nomination ... !

 

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He's already had one bit of a heart-problem, and it is indicative of what can happen. In which case his VP must take the reigns. (OK, so Elizabeth for VP. She would be fine interacting with the Legislature to pass necessary laws. And as a replacement "just in case".)

You just don't want a female as PotUS! Admit it!

Indeed he does. But it is NOT ENOUGH for the grind necessary to win this election and then pass meaningful legislation. Whilst Elizabeth has proven to have the courage, intelligence and the will to do so. She was a Replicant until 1996 and a Democrat since that date! Meaning she has a good political grasp of both sides of any issue/law before Congress.

You wanna kill Bernie? Then what?

Then the Dems are up Shat-Creek without a paddle, that's what! Which is why the choice of VP is key if Bernie wins the nomination ... !

 

Look, are you talking about a competitive economy or not? Seems not!

The American economy has been "consolidating" upwards - by means of a concerted will of government lack of effective-taxation - for the past past half century*. It is the result of far too much Replicant heads-of-state like both Bush Senior and Junior! That's just fine for the Replicant crowd because it makes of them billionaires!

Herebellow is what Wealth Distribution Unfairness looks like today** in America! Note it well!


To be clear: The upper percentiles (beyond "half" the population) own today most of the Wealth in America. The bottom 50% own diddlyshat!

Now you-tell-me how I got that all wrong, all wrong, all wrong ...

*And what you do not seem to understand about this wealth-consolidation, is its Prime Generator of aggregating total National Wealth is in the percentiles beyond 50% - whilst the other half are just "getting by". (Meaning: If your skin-color is not pristine-white, you are really-and-truly in deep economic sneakers!)
**Resulting from the recent history in America of upper-income taxation as seen here! And you can thank the Replicants for that outcome because it is was their presidents (starting with Reckless Ronnie in the 1980s) that paved the way for their Personal Enrichment!

Bollocks. Such Total Control of production by the state exists nowhere in the world except North Korea. You are hallucinating ...

 

Such rubbish! "The Republican crowd"? What? Pay attention, the democrat front runner is a millionaire who has only worked in congress.

 

What's all-wrong with America in just one historical graphic:



Since Reckless Ronnie, hero of the Replicant Upper-income Revolution in 1980.

Both he and Kennedy reduced upper-income taxation in America. Starting at the time of Kennedy's death - it was Johnson who signed the law into legislation and thus funded his presidential election.

The Tidal-Wave of upper-income Wealth Aggrandizement began then (with the sharp reduction of Upper-income Taxation) and still exists today ....

 

Aid is not the issue in a Social Democracy as regards both Healthcare and Tertiary Education - the two are principal components conditioning well-being - and should be guaranteed by governments.

You fail to understand that logic. That's a shame, but just for you ...

Thanks for noticing! "Substantive responses" are my raison-d'etre on this forum.

And if you don't know/understand the economic-data that underscores political-argumentation presented here, then that is who's problem? Yours or mine ... ?

 

Wealthy people have access to better healthcare and are therefore more likely to survive.

Conversely the poorest segment of the electorate is at the greatest risk and might well be negatively impacted.

That said the virus is nonpartisan and the impact will probably be more or less the same across the spectrum of the electorate.

 

Bernie is a member of the Dem party!

 

I am not in the least bit worried about uniting the electorate to evict the criminal IMPOTUS.

That is the easy part.

The hard part is debunking the extremist DISINFORMATION that will be used against whomever is the Dem Candidate.

 

Sanders opposition against neoliberalism and economic inequality, his support for a single or universal healthcare, the win-win green new deal addressing climate change and creating jobs at the same time, parental leaves and tuition free tertiary education, and reducing military spending by promoting diplomacy and international cooperation makes him somehow a good contender for the presidency. Most of the issues mentioned above is very important for the US and the world in general.

 

That in red above of itself is an excellent reason to introduce a National Healthcare System, where money-money-money does not translate directly into "ability to survive serious illness".

Thank you, thank you, thank you ... I could not have thought of a more cogent&pertinent reason for a NHS ... !

 

The disinformation is so patently obvious it debunks itself.

The hard-part in any election in the US is getting people off their duffs and into a voting booth. The Americans are famous for waving their stars-'n-stripes but not so famous for getting off their Collective Arses and voting - see here from the OECD: Voter Participation Rates.

With the US at 56% and the UK at 64% we can see a substantial difference. Even Canada comes in at a higher rate (62%). Of course, the highest voter-participation-rate is in a country from which we often hear/read very little: Belgium (87%) with Sweden (82%) in second-place.

What does THAT have to say about supposedly the Greatest Democracy on Earth (Uncle Sam)?

Huh? What ... ?

 

You are correct about low voter turnout here in America and there are REASONS why it is so low.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

The highest ever recorded was in 1878 at just under 82% immediately after the Jim Crow laws were passed. From that point onwards voter turnout steadily declined because of racist voter suppression.

In 1924 it reached an all time LOW of 48.9%. In the Civil Rights era it climbed again to almost 63% and then declined again to another LOW of just 49% in 1996. In 2008 Obama managed to achieve 58%.

So to answer your question as to what does it say the answer is that Minority Voter Suppression is how the White Nationalists retain their control over the government.

 

Many states have speed limits. So why not must all states abiding by a solidly rewritten National Voting Law that includes:
*A determinable identity validation (like a birth record) - ie., a registered Identity Card on public-record kept and protected (from illegal use) by the Federal-government.
*A fine of $200 if the voter does not hand in a ballot obtained at the voting center or previously at the city-hall of residence. The vote may be blank or not, which is irrelevant. The obtention of a vote requires proof of identity by means of a national ID-card, which is created at birth and available to the owner at the age of 18 with proof of identity.
*The ability to do the above without passage to a voting center by means of a smartphone IF a sufficiently solid program-inviability can be developed.
*Voter registration no longer at a state-level but uniformly established on a National Level. In such a manner that people can move around and still vote without re-registration.
*Any other measure that would force Americans to vote (even with an empty ballot if they wish) entered with a viable means of identification as an American citizen. And so,
*Why not an American Identity Card, that also serves as a Passport.

Anything else .... ?

 

Personally I don't have a problem with a National ID card and a requirement to vote but I am in the minority.

 

I'm not so sure Trump will win in a landslide. 1) He isn't handling this corona virus pandemic very well.
2) The stock market is starting to look shaky.

Both of things can affect his re-election chances.

 

YOU are not talking about a competitive economy. None of the highly successful businesses exist with a shield of protection- anyone who chooses to compete with them can. Unlike you, they have no government protections of benefits. No minimum profit (or wage), no unemployment or any of the vast range of things their employers have. They have to compete for employees, too- and the best people do very, very well in our country, as they should. Who gets rich is determined BY THE CONSUMERS. You buy the products that you find most valuable- and you determine what price they will have to sell for. IF you are angry that Apple isn't sending you a share of their profits, buy their stock- or, stop buying their phones and computers. IF enough consumers agree with you, Apple will disintegrate. They are competing- you are talking about taking what they have earned fairly because they have it and you want it. That's not competing- It's theft.

Bernie and Karl Marx will tell you that you are entitled to the money other people have earned because they have more than you do.... and that always appeals to those whose greed overpowers their sense of justice. But Bernie and Karl won't get around to the point that those people accomplished more, invested more, tried harder- and earned what they have. Those who excel will always have more than those of lesser motivations- the ones who just want to get along. You should be really grateful we have these super-achievers, because they make the American standard of living what it is. What's more, you can benefit from what they do in many ways, such as investing in them. If you had put $10K in Buffets company in 1970, it would be worth about $6 Million today- without you adding a dime. Why didn't you do that? Then, you could be one of the people you hate and blame today for not making you rich, and telling them that you have a right to the money they made with the good decisions you chose not to make because you had other things to do and the future wasn't high on your list. It doesn't matter what color you are; today the race baiting is an excuse, not a reason. It doesn't matter where you start in life. It does matter how you manage your life, what you are willing to build for yourself, how willing you are to make good long term plans and stick to them.

The top 10% of taxpayers already carry 70% of the load- yet the whining never stops. That in itself tells us how valid your complaints are.

 

It's possible but, it is a high bar that Bernie would have to hit to outdo Trump - and I doubt congress would allow it.

Contrary to popular belief - there is no such thing as a money tree. I know it seems that way but, this is because we are the world reserve currency. For this and a few other reasons - we can borrow vast sums of money very cheaply.

The Fed in the US and central banks in other nations have been working hard to reduce interest rates on their bonds - which have actually gone negative in some Nations.

This is upside down. I am trying to keep things simple here - this is a red light flashing - danger danger danger. We have been messing with the invisible hand- and that never ends well.

Interest payments on our debt are now over 500 Billion per year. For comparison, the entire Federal Spend of Mexico is 70 Billion /year - a nation that is 11th in the world in terms of purchasing power. This is with super low interest rates - They can rise you know - and the Fed is mostly out of bullets. If demand for our debt decreases - interest rates on our debt will rise ( do not confuse this with Mortgage rates - which the Fed sets)

Trump has been going around trying to club other nations into submission over his Unilateral Iran Sanctions. This move was a serious blunder on the geopolitical chessboard - and they know it - but it is difficult to turn back. It is interesting to note the relative silence of the MSN on this issue.

This would be a perfect way for the left to attack Trump - and a legitimate attack - but it is mostly silence. That is how serious this blunder was. It was like the straw that broke the camel's back.

In order to force compliance with his Iran Sanctions - Trump used the "Nuclear Option". Threatening to block banks and corporations of a nation out of the international system of payments. This is essentially a declaration of economic war on every other nation on the planet that matters.

The backlash was intense - the strongest of language was used - not in private - but in public on the world stage "You are messing with our Sovereignty".

We were "Allowed" the privilege of having the world reserve currency. This privilege was given us on the basis that we would not abuse it

How the US public react of some other nation messed with our sovereignty ? Imagine for a moment that you are a purchaser - and have an international contract out for bid. One of the nations bidding for that contract is the Nation who is messing with our sovereignty - do you think that nation's changes of getting the contract have increased or decreased ?

We used to just whisper our desires into the ear of other nations and they would come running to comply. This is because we were the only economic game in town and everyone wanted to play. This is no longer the case.

Now - even with Trump barging through the door with a big club - nations are saying "FU" - every time we seem to turn around. Many decades I have lived and never seen such a thing.

Norstream - Germany - huge US protest - FU
Italy - Belt and Road Initiative - big US protest - FU
Europe and others - 5G - Huawei - FU
Turkey/India S-400 - Massive US protest - threats and so on - FU

The above are just a few examples - even the Brits - a small issue but still - the Brits are the US Lapdog - released the Iranian Tanker - despite US protest.

While Trump is going around trying to club other nations into submission - China/Russia are going around doing deals. You don't fk with another nations sovereignty - and not expect a back lash - to do this to the whole world at the same time = multiplies the effect - strength in numbers.

Lastly - for years the nations of the world have been wanting an alternative to the US system of international payments. There have been some moves made - the EU came out with SDR's for example - these can only be used by Nations though - not corporations or individuals. Baby steps. Of course Russia and China - and the BRICS in general have been working on an alternative - China came out with the Petro Yuan about a year ago.

Had you asked me 5 years ago - I would have said we were 20 years away - minimum from an alternative. Trump using the "nuclear option" has expedited efforts to come up with an alternative. Technology "crypto currency" has also made an alternative easier to create.

The day that a valid competitor to the US dollar exists - will be the day that the History books record as the defacto end of the US economic Empire - Full Stop .

 

Indeed he does. But it is NOT ENOUGH for the grind necessary to win this election and then pass meaningful legislation. Whilst Elizabeth has proven to have the courage, intelligence and the will to do so. She was a Replicant until 1996 and a Democrat since that date! Meaning she has a good political grasp of both sides of any issue/law before Congress.

You wanna kill Bernie? Then what?

Then the Dems are up Shat-Creek without a paddle, that's what! Which is why the choice of VP is key if Bernie wins the nomination ... ![/QUOTE]

Holy off the turnip truck you have fallen .. I must have inadvertently pushed a button.

1) my choice is Tulsi - a woman
2) Who wants to kill Bernie ??
3) What part of Lizzy has attacked freedom of information, speech, press - did you not understand. Perhaps I should have also stated that this is a major Establishment agenda right now - or did you miss the memo ?

 

What I am missing from you is Proper English.

Try harder ... !