3 in 4 Democrats would support a socialist for president: poll

I have pretty much ceased paying attention to what that sort of poster 'thinks' about Trump or even pretty much anything on either the Left or the Right. Don't declare yourself to belong to one certain ideology when your every posting sounds like it's been written by a fanatic belonging to the other camp.

 

Which would eliminate the exorbitantly high cost of medical care done for profit.

The corporate tax rate was already 35% before the recent tax cuts. And we saw what those companies did with those tax breaks, which is give it back to their investors. That helps the regular Joe about zilch.

I'm completely fine with a mandated profit sharing program and workers having more of a say in the companies they sustain. Don't you? Why do you want workers to have no power? Nothing about what Sanders is saying brings private companies under government ownership.

I don't agree with abolishing the electoral college, but lets be real here. If we got rid of it, popular vote would determine the outcome of elections alone. That's still the will of the people themselves, it just doesn't categorize them by state.

You overestimate the will of those who want to ban guns. They aren't looking to take over the country. Many of them just want to feel safer. Banning guns won't do that, but it's not some insidious conspiracy to disarm and then subjugate American citizens. That's just sensational nonsense.

And another problem is that the gun proponents have almost nothing to say about how to deal with the gun violence other than "don't take away my guns". I am not anti-2nd amendment, but it seems to me that if gun proponents want to stay relevant, you guys might want to come up with something better than just suggesting that everyone carry a gun or nonsensical references to government takeovers and other sensational malarky.

 

Today, when a corporation reaches a certain size it is required to create its own mini healthcare system - with design, communication, competitive analysis, and the actual administration of payments and coverage when employees get sick. And, they acquire that requirement by being successful - unlike corporations in other countries.

Corporations aren't doing that for free. Plus, they don't cover you when you switch companies or start your own business.

As for what to do about those with low income, the several different systems we have are failing to cover all who need it and they are expensive to operate. For one thing, qualification criteria change, so there is a constant need to be checking on enrollees to see if they are making more income, getting other help from inside or outside the various levels of government, etc. For most coverage, a person qualifies onece and that's it.

Every other industrialized nation has a FAR simpler system that ensures everyone is covered. And every one of those sysems costs their citizens less than ours do. Some (like UK, I hear) have issues. So, let's notice and avoid those issues. There are many working ideas to choose from. We even have our own - Medicare.

 

Your comments on Venezuela have NO applicability to the USA.

We don't have ANYTHING REMOTELY like the United Socialst Party of Venezuela. And, we don't have the various problems Venezuela has faced through their recent hisory

 

Not yet anyways....I never said we were like Venezuela did I? I said what could happen...and how the policies being presented are similar to that of Venezuela and Cuba. Nice try trying to spin what I said though.

See what happens if we elect a Socialist as President....let me remind you Venezuela was once a prosperous country, not like the U.S., but Socialism destroys countries, it is dangerous!

 

YOu used Venezuela as an example. And, the idea that what happened there could happen here is abject BS.

As for single payer healthcare, you chose Venezuela for BS reasons, as there are numerous successes in nations that don't suffer the problems that Venezuela suffers - and that have NOTHING to do with healthcare.

We don't have any candidate that wants a socialist form of governmnet. Every one of them actively supports and defends out constitution. Every one of them defends capitalism as the best system for almost all areas of our economy.

The next time you want to make an argument, you need to find an honest comparison.

 

Ya I am sure the people of Venezuela thought the same thing when they bought the propaganda that ultimately led to the destruction of their country. People thought the Titanic was unsinkable and people tend to think the same about America but Sanders is the iceberg!

The successes don't ban private health insurance, as you fail to mention. Also I compared it to Cuba. Sanders says that under his plan Americans would have no co-payments, but European patients typically have co-payments (often modest ones). Under the Danish system, for instance, psychological treatments are not covered and patients still have to pay for prescription drugs. Actually very few countries have something like what Sanders is proposing.

Sanders is a Socialist, I don't really care what you choose to believe but he is. Defend the Constitution? Really? They already think changes need to be made to it! His policies are VERY dangerous to our country and I already did provide examples of that in policy. Also he doesn't support capitalism, in an interview he stated the difference between he and Warren is her support of capitalism.

Sanders uses countries like Denmark, Sweden and Norway as examples, but thats not really what he is representing and they are not Socialist countries. As a matter of fact some have cut drastically back on their welfare programs as it was hurting their economy. Sweden, for example, became a wealthy country in the mid-20th century under a capitalist system with low tax rates. Social programs and high tax rates were not implemented until the 1970s, which caused the economy to significantly underperform and unemployment to rise. In recent years, Sweden has been privatizing socialized sectors, such as education and health care, cutting tax rates, and making welfare less generous. So that comparison Sanders is making is actually BS, but the left actually believes it! These countries actually enjoy somewhat free-market economies. Sanders’s platform, which openly calls for nationalizing major industries such as higher education, healthcare, and even the internet, falls well outside the mainstream of U.S. politics and more closely resembles the central planning committees in Cuba and Venezuela.

Not to mention his praise of Castro and other dictators, but hey you're entitled to your opinion and even if its wrong...you have yourself a great evening!

 

The Democrats???

The Fox link you (the OPer) sent provided this link from Gallup.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- More than nine in 10 Americans say they would vote for a presidential candidate nominated by their party who happened to be black, Catholic, Hispanic, Jewish or a woman. Such willingness drops to eight in 10 for candidates who are evangelical Christians or are gays or lesbians. Between six and seven in 10 would vote for someone who is under 40 years of age, over 70, a Muslim or an atheist.

Just one group tested -- socialists -- receives majority opposition. Less than half of Americans, 45%, say they would vote for a socialist for president, while 53% say they would not.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx

The thread title is a lie.

The Fox title is a lie.

 

Mrs. Seal, you are just too far out there.

All I can say is that Sanders has been working toward a solid and improving America for years, and the idea that he would turn America into Venezuela is about as stark raving crazy as anything I've ever seen on this board.

It's time we recognize that our for-profit approach to healthcare has failed.

And, suggesting that makes someone a socialist, striving to be like Venezuela is not worthy of comment.

If you have an idea concerning what YOU would like for a healthcare system, feel free. But, let's end this Venezuela nonsense.

 

Then 45% of Americans failed math and history.

 

The 4th Democrat can be bought by Bloomberg or Soros

 

Oh for pity sake Trump is an authoritarian to the same extent you are an applecart.

 

Oh please there is very little point trying to explain to you in the first place as you don't even think Sanders is a Socialist, so it's no wonder what I say seems so far out there to you...

Sanders has a less than impressive track record as a Senator, so ya he certainly has done a swell job fighting for America! 30 years he has been a Senator.....not very much to show for it....

I can agree healthcare needs to change, but no way am I for Medicare for All!

 

I will also add this, Sanders probably couldn't deliver on a lot of what he is proposing if elected as even a fair amount of Democrats don't agree with Sanders on his policies and thank goodness for that as his policies would destroy our economy.

 

Three quarters is low. I'm sure it's more than that. And many Republicans too.

Problem is all the people who doesn't understand what socialism is.

 

"It wasn't REAL socialism!" howled the socialists in regards to socialistic Venezeula and, "It wasn't REAL Marxism!" howled the Marxists over the Marxist Soviet Union.

 

Maybe you are one of those people.

Not that socialism of any flavor has been successful.

 

Socialism is the centralized control of production. Leads to disaster every time.

 

What is socialism NOT? The country coming together to accomplish something good for the country. The people selling that are damn liars and those believing it are sorely duped. Socialism is bad for everyone. Especially for the poor.

 

Dude. Are you drunk? The link you supplied states 76% of Dems would vote for a socialist. That’s what was claimed by the OP. You don’t know the difference between a category “Americans” and a category “Democrats”? Good Lord.

 

Confusing Venezuela's Trump-style populist demagoguery, with Marxist Socialism, with Marxist-Leninist Socialism, with Democratic Socialism... is a definite sign of somebody who has no idea what Socialism is. I'll be preparing a thread to explain what it means in the U.S. reality, as soon as I have the time. You probably won't agree with Democratic Socialism anyway. But at least you will finally understand what it is.

 

If that's what socialism is then, not just Sanders, but nobody in the Democratic Party is a Socialist. Because nobody has advocated that. Otherwise you would have provided a quote.

 

You want a definition of democratic socialism as Bernie desribes it?

Bullying, plain and simple.
He wants to tell people how much they can earn, he wants to tell them what to spend their money on. He wants to tell them whats ok to say and he wants to take away their ability to defend themselves.

All of this adds up to making him a bad person.

At least Trump isn't a bully at the policy level.

 

3 in 4 Democrats would support a socialist for president: poll
Likewise I would assume only 1 in 4 Democrats know what socialism is.