Death of Sanders campaign tomorrow?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Former Vice President Joe Biden, riding a wave of momentum from primaries in South Carolina and Super Tuesday states, comes into Tuesday’s Michigan primary with a 24-point lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders in a new Free Press poll.

    If Biden’s 51%-27% lead in the poll, done by EPIC-MRA for the Free Press and its media partners, holds, it would guarantee him a signature victory in Michigan — a battleground state that helped President Donald Trump win the White House four years ago. It could also starve Sanders' formerly front-running campaign of delegates needed for the nomination and call into question how long his effort can remain viable. "
    https://www.freep.com/story/news/po...bernie-sanders-michigan-primaries/4994142002/

    Will that be it and will he acknowledge it or take it to the convention to try to score something?
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    That depends on how much money is being offered to him... Too bad rich Hillary isn't there to buy him out again. And Bloomberg left too early to bribe Bernie Sanders.
     
  3. Andrew Jackson

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    Bernie SHOULD Drop Out after getting Blown Out tomorrow.

    But, my best guess is that he stays in another week just to do the 1-on-1 Debate on the 15th.

    And, after getting Completely Blown Out on Mar. 17th, then he should drop out.

    Staying in any longer just damages the party.

    Bernie is going to end up supporting Biden (anyway)

    So, Bernie just needs to make a classy exit.
     
  4. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bernie has no reason to drop out. He wants to carry the tired old message of Socialist Utopianism to as many young and eager ears as possible coast-to-coast. His campaign is flush with money and the kiddos want to see and hear him.

    Biden will probably sail through the 1991 needed delegates to clinch the nomination without a fight.

    Bernie will be to old in 4 years to run again. This will be his last and most successful "hoorah!" for his lifelong belief that Socialism is better than a Republic. He has nothing to loose. Plus, he seems to be having a lot of fun and reveling in the attention and the cheers from the adoring youth of America.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bernie isn't part of "The Party". Nevertheless, he'd rather have Biden win. His classy exit would be to stand on his soapbox and shout his Socialist ideologies through the very last primary contest in the nation, and then concede. At his concession speech, he'll release his delegates and ask all of them to vote for Biden at the convention.
     
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    I've got the impression that Sanders is an ideologue . Whether there is a path open to him for the nomination or not, he'll take this thing all the way to the convention. I don't think Sanders cares who wins in November as long as he has that platform to espouse his ideals and progressiveism.

    If Sanders loses Washington tomorrow, I don't think a path exist for him to win the nomination. He can lose Michigan and Missouri, but not Washington. The west coast was and is Sanders strongest region of the country.

    Then comes Illinois, Florida, Ohio and Arizona on the 17th followed by Georgia on the 24th. If the polls are right, Biden has a 20 point lead in Illinois, a 25 point lead in Florida, 19 in Ohio, a 20 point lead in Arizona and a 30 point lead in Georgia.

    But before Biden celebrates, one needs to remember things can change on a dime. Biden looked done for prior to South Carolina. If a 180 happened once, it can again. But it looks like smooth sailing for Biden at this point in time.
     
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  7. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bernie will be 82 in 4 years......I doubt we will see him running then if we even still see him.
     
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    Bernie has path whatever happens tomorrow, Biden's mental health. Staying in and collecting delegates would be all the difference come convention time...
     
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    biden will 'give' all his delegates to hillary 2.0...

    at worst, resign nano seconds after taking the oath in january...
     
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    Bernie been scratchin' his butt...

    ... an' pickin' his nose?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Sanders will do anything that could help Trump win. He may be an ideologue but even more than that he has always been an honest man and he has been quite clear in repeatedly saying that Trump is the real enemy
     
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    On one of the Sunday shows, Bernie did say he would support Biden if Biden became the nominee. It would look bad if Bernie supporters burned down Milwaukee after a second Sander's attempt at the nomination fails. He at least needs to look like he tried to stop them by saying the right words.
     
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    We'll see if you're right when and if there is not path left for his nomination. My feeling is that Sanders will continue on right up till the convention in full knowledge he has no chance. Even when he becomes mathematically eliminated, I pretty sure instead of withdrawing and then helping to unite the party against Trump, he'll just keep right on campaigning pushing his ideals and his brand of Democratic Socialism.

    But we'll see, I've been wrong before. We'll see how he performs tomorrow. I think Sanders must win Washington State or it close to all over for him. Many pundits think he must also win Michigan. They could be right. I think Sanders could survive a Michigan loss, it would hurt, but it wouldn't be fatal. Washington is another story though. Sanders strength is the West Coast, the more progressive section of the country. A week ago according to the polls, Sanders had a 20 point lead in Washington. Today, it's a tie. If he blows a 20 point lead in Washington, I fear it's over for him. My thoughts on this.
     
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    Bernie claims to be a revolutionary, if that's true Biden or Trump aren't that different. He tried it the DNC way once. Plus Bernie is only part of the problem, he had no control over his minions...
     
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    Sanders had Plan A. He would get 30% everywhere, and the rest of the field would remain divided, so he could win with 30%. That meant he didn't even try to reach out past his base.

    And then the rest of the field united on Biden.

    And Sanders didn't have a Plan B.
     
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    Bernie never had a REAL Chance to Win the Dem. Primaries.

    His support among Blacks is virtually non-existent.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Politically, blacks are about the most hardheaded and practical people in America. They understand through hard experience that the first and most important thing you have to do in politics is WIN. You can have the most astute and ethical politics that has ever existed and it will probably not even be a historical footnote if its followers do not win elections and serve in offices.

    I think most blacks are like me in regard to Sanders. They'd dearly love to vote for him because he believes in everything they do, but Sanders. Will. Not. Win. That is not what we advocate or want, it is simply a cold, hard, fact.

    (Should he become the candidate I will support him without stint. I pray god(s) my opinion will be as wrong here as it has often been in the past. )
     
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    At this point 4 years ago Sanders was 300 behind in delegates, plus 400 superdelegates. The superdelegates are invisible this year but still there, so he trails by 500.
    I think he won't stop until he trails by more than in 2016 in visible delegates. A sweep won't do that tomorrow or next week.
    I expect a 3-3 split tomorrow and no one drops out immediately after that.
    Next week we'll find out if Sanders has really added the Latino community to his quiver. That could mean 2 victories.
    Don't forget Democrats Abroad and the Northern Mariana Islands. He might yet win the week in primaries 5-3.
     
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    Bernie will certainly not drop out before his mano a mano debate w/ Biden on the 15th. That WILL be his last stand, in all liklihood, for having viability. If Dems were to see Bernie CRUSH Biden, we would see the electorate, if not necessarily the political establishment, do a hasty recalculation, on scale w/ that we've witnessed over the past couple of weeks.

    If that contest isn't a rout, if Biden doesn't worry viewers by crumbling in the face of whatever heat Bernie throws at him, then I hope the two camps will be able to work out something mutually agreeable. I can't say what that looks like. And I can't say what Bernie will do. But if he can get some reasonable accomodations from Biden, it would obviously be better to settle the matter w/o a pointlessly drawn-out fight; and I say this as a 2-time Sanders-backer & fan.
     
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    I heard one exit poll interview and the guy, white guy maybe 60's, say it's the worst choice he has ever had to make and he has consistently voted all his life.
     
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    I'm hearing rumors that if Biden sweeps tonight that the next debate will be the last in which he will participate. Watch Sanders hair catch on fire if that holds up!
     
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    If Biden sweeps tonight, I'd give him 5 of 6 right now, with Washington State a tossup. I'd say Washington is a must win for Sanders or it about as close to being over as over can get. The west coast is progressive Sanders country, the Midwest and South, Biden territory.

    I see no reason to carry on the debates if Biden sweeps. Perhaps one more between today and 17 March when Ohio, Illinois, Arizona and Florida take place. But all of those are in Biden country which I expect old Joe to sweep also. That is unless Biden makes a huge mistake some time between now and then.
     
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    I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Biden's campaign team doesn't find some excuse to cancel the Sunday debate.
     
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    BEWARE the IDES OF MARCH!
     
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    Hearing that too now and Biden is demanding he BE ALLOWED TO SIT. Sanders should refuse and you know Trump will say no it's time to stand up and show people what you got and he will eat him alive. I mean at least Sanders noted that while he gives one hour speeches while Biden has been going out and giving 7 minute speeches and waking off stage. Geez Trump routinely gives two hour off the cuff rally speeches.
     
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