Will virus help trump or Biden ???

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  1. Quasar44

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    Trump is doing an amazing job and Americans like same leaders in war times

    With 25 percent unemployment and collapse of Mid west jobs ..should help B
     
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    Whichever one is infected with the virus will garner the sympathy vote. The ball is in their respective courts. :)
     
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    I don't think anything can help Biden.
     
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    We all know that trump will milk it for all it's worth, so it's likely to help him as the adults in the room take the lead and find cures and solutions while he fulminates about a Chinese virus with a Mexican name making him look bad.
    But if Americans are paying attention, the spectacle of a narcissistic dotard attacking others rather than leading in a time of crisis will hurt trump.
     
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    I think Biden's "plan" to combat the virus, described on his web page, reveals just how inept he is. Basically, he said that he would get more testing kits and develop a vaccine. (Duh.)
     
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    Nothing can help Biden.

    trump is the obvious and only choice.
     
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    I figure the guy who goes around touching bodies, faces and sniffing necks and hair is a likely recipient of the Covid award....
     
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    I dont see how the virus could help biden at all. And Trump is doing an outstanding job handling this crisis, so I think it can only help him come election time.
     
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    That my friend easily wins the post o' the day award.
     
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    People will be looking back at the Obama/Biden time in office as, "The Good Old Days" during the next few months. Average Joe will remember that he couldn't get TP, that his 401k tanked, and that he couldn't take his kids to school while Trump was in office.

    It may not be "fair" but people associate bad times with the people in office at the time. Just the way things work.
     
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    Agreed!

    The Dems took the hit in 2010 for the GOP crashing the economy in 2008.

    With the market gains wiped out and people no longer having jobs or the prospect of even finding any they will vote against the Orange Buffoon IMO.
     
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    Anyone who associates the virus crisis with Trump, but who fails to associate the massive and well directed response to a world wide crisis with Trump- Is an idiot.
    Granted, we do indeed have more of those than our share; but then, we have had certain interests among us cultivating that mindset for several years.
    What are they going to associate the democrats with? Running a three year pissing contest without success, while ignoring their jobs and obligations to the people?
    Trump's actions today are rapidly increasing his re-election odds, which were already solid. We are seeing decisive, directed action on a level unseen since WWII.

    I don't know anybody who still thinks Obama did an acceptable job. Obviously they exist, but Trump has set a new standard that makes Obama look silly.
    History will be shaped with the benefit of hindsight. Obama will be remembered as the first black president, because that was true, it was a precedent, and the only part of the job he couldn't mess up. I don't think there will be much else to his credit. Others will disagree, but when your yet unborn great-grandchildren study history 40 years from now, I think that is what they will see. Bear in mind I voted for Obama... once. Everybody makes mistakes.
     
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    As of now, the Corona Virus isn't helping either candidate. All the recent polls nationally, within the last week show Biden with a 5-10 point lead over Trump. Going back to January, pre-Corona, the national polls were also showing Biden with a 5-10 point lead. What the future holds, who knows?

    In the swing states, not much has changed there either. Biden holding an average of a 5 point lead in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Minnesota, Nevada, Ohio. Trump ahead in Florida, Iowa, Texas, Georgia. The only changes from January to today is in Wisconsin and Ohio where Trump led in January, now he trails Biden. Whether these two changes are a result of the Corona Virus, again, who knows?

    Trump's approval rating was at 44% in January, it's still at 44% today. I'd say it's too early to tell if the Corona Virus will help or hurt either major party candidate.
     
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    If you look at the data from an empirical point of view, Obama was a slightly better than average President. The market rose an average 12% per year after his first 12 months. Home prices rose an average 20%. Unemployment dropped steadily after those first 12 months. We wound down two wars, and the war he started against Lybia ended with zero American casualties. His foreign policy was lack-luster, but then again, Trump hasn't made any better headway with North Korea, Iran, or Venezuela, or for Mid-East peace. History books will show that Obama took over during a very rough economy and left with it in slightly better shape.

    Will history books show that Trump took an economy in average shape and left with it in worse shape? That could very well be the final note if he serves one term. and we end up in a world-wide recession.
     
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    That's rich!!! The Good Old Days was the reason Trump got elected.
     
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    Trump got elected because Hillary was just as toxic as Trump and Trump eeked out a win with fewer popular votes.

    If we end the year in a world-wide recession - and Goldman-Sachs is predicting just that, then the Obama years will be looked at more fondly than the Trump years. Bush had 6 years of decent economic returns, but he is more often remembered for the crash in '07-'08.
     
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    Please, your killing me!!! Stop already, I'm gonna wet myself!!!!!
     
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    Not if he gets it!
     
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    Or look at it like a intelligent person and NOTE that housing worth drop considerably after the crash! Any gains after coming out of the basement was then tallied as % gains.. The honest way to have counted housing and unemployment for that matter was to set the BAR at what both were before the crash ;)
     
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    Damn sound like you are sympathetic to the Chicoms and their contribution to planet earth and all blaming of President Trump..

    Just saying LMAO
     
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    LMAO...channeling joe mccarthy, eh?
     
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    Well if you think that changes my opinion of your post, go with it LOLOL
     
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    While we don't know what the shape will be at the end of Trump's presidency, I doubt he will be blamed for the crisis and certainly can't be said to have failed to boldly respond. If the nation is not fully recovered when he leaves office, honest history will not hold that as a failure, any more than it blames FDR for not winning WWII in the first year.

    The situation with Obama is of course not a typical presidency, in that he inherited an economy just recovering from a major recession. Speaking only to the economics of that, if he had done nothing, the economy would have been on a course of normalization anyway. I did extremely well in the stock market then, because things were selling for a dime on the dollar of real value on march 9th, 2009- the day it turned and headed up. One of the stocks I bought that day was acquired for $3, sold 5 years later for $121. Obama didn't impact that one way or another. I don't mean I think Obama did nothing- I do think he didn't make the best choices. I won't speculate that I would have known better- frankly, I see the presidency as perhaps the worlds toughest job, and few are strong enough and wise enough to handle it. No matter how good, no president will ever please everyone. This crash is much different; it is not going to reverse direction completely overnight. This is a long-haul situation that is going to take strong leadership for years. He will be taking heat all the way; we have too much animosity in our society right now. Trump is a person who can take it, and that is a huge asset for him.

    It would take a blind fool to blame this recession on Trump- or to blame the mortgage recession on Obama. This is in part what any president risks, that something nasty will happen on his watch, and he will have to deal with it. But the nation has to deal with it too; all the president can do is lead and assist- but how he does that is very important. Trump is doing so boldly, aggressively and quickly, and I think that is outstanding. I think Obama was timid in dealing with his burden, but perhaps congress was too; and the issues were not in any way comparable. In the current situation, the potential health threat could be catastrophic, we are seeing a deeper side of it pretty regularly. But I'm less concerned with what the virus damage will be than with the longer term economic impact of the actions we are having to take to prevent the health disaster. While the virus may be fully under control in 12 months, the economic hit will be affecting us for many years. We are going to need bold and decisive leadership to continue.
    It would be of great value to have more partnership mindsets and less adversary ones in our society right now. Usually, crisis bring people together, shuts off petty squabbles and strengthens them. Not sure how well that will happen right now. We seem to have a lot of people who are simply incapable of it.
     
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    True.

    Trump's Egregious MISHANDLING of the Virus Crisis (especially in the early stages) is utterly inexcusable and indefensible.

    Trump's Glaring Lack of Leadership will certainly hurt him at the polls in November.

    Even though, Biden was headed to a WIN (either way).
     
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    Well I am sure there are a few idiots out there who will blame a global pandemic that started in china and caused a global recession on an American president.
     

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