1. Compared to other viruses, the covid 19 mortality rate is very high.. 30-40 times higher than influenza, that kills thousands of people every year. My statement stands, and is accurate. 2. The blatant, knee jerk opposition from the progressive media, democrats, and anti-trumpers everywhere is obvious, and they all chimed in with 'Racist!!' 'Xenophobic!'', and other emotionally charged accusations that typify the anti-science, anti-human, anti-American progressive left. List your spokespersons for Progressivism that supported the travel ban. You cannot. None did. 3. Progressivism, as an ideology, is indoctrinated from infancy in just about every quarter of former western civilization. I am more familiar with the US infection of this deadly disease, and the mind killing practices and tactics these enemies of America employ. Constant propaganda from every public institution drives home the core tenets of progressive ideology, and demonizes the competition with lies, caricatures, and false narratives. 4. Progressive indoctrinees are deluded products of deliberate deception and State sponsored Indoctrination. Few of them can follow simple reasoning anymore, or differentiate facts from talking points. Revisionism, mocking, equivocation, bullying, intimidation, and anything, except science and reason, are used to promote their anti-human agenda.
1. This is a political forum. Politics and ideology are inseparable. Ideology is the spring from which all beliefs and perceptions flow. 2. Trump was immediately and universally attacked, by ALL the progressive run propaganda outlets. Name one progressive spokesperson who supported the travel ban. 3. Deflecting with anti-trump hysteria and jeers about easter eggs only exposes Trump Derangement Syndrome, that is so common among progressive indoctrinees. Trump is not 'forcing!' everything to normal, whatever that is, but merely expressed hopeful optimism, that only the facts and reality will dictate. 4. Opinions about the 'best course of action!', are legion. Self appointed 'experts' litter the mediascape, and muddy reason and scientific methodology with emotional hysteria. Calm, systematic decision making, based on facts and science, are better tools for leadership than the discordant cacophony of hysteria from agenda driven ideologues.
What I said previously. Yes, Covid 19 has a fatality rate higher than the annual flu, but it also has a higher death rate than measles and a lot less than the other two viruses I mentioned. That still doesn't make it Ebola. Still not actual facts. I suggest you take your meds then have a nice long sleep to settle your nerves. You seem a little rattled. In the meantime I'll alert any progressive indoctrinees I can find and tell them to wise up.
And this is the science thread on that forum. This is where we discuss science not the politics of Trump or any other current US political figure your enamored of. Pease try to stay on track. ...And take your meds.
1. This is a scientific thread, has been active for 6 years, and won 'thread of the month', when it first appeared. 2. The ILLUSTRATION of 'anti-science', in current events, is confirmation of the premise of the OP. That Trump Derangement Syndrome supercedes objective scientific analysis only confirms the anti-science bias from progressive indoctrinees. 3. Ad hom, ridicule, and other fallacies only expose you as an indoctrinee, not a rational, scientific minded person.
A hypothesis is formed in an attempt to falsify an existing theory. A hypothesis cannot be formed without first having an existing theory TO falsify.
If a so-called 'scientist' cannot be open-minded to new and challenging information...then they are not a scientist. It's fine for people to have anti-science and conspiracy theories, however, neither of those belong in a scientific discussion...
We'll have a better idea when we have more test data. Tests are still in limited supply, and reporting is done inconsistently.. This is entirely political on your part. People were very concerned about travel from China. And, some of the actions related to travel bans were ridiculous. Today it is this administration that is striving to make this a China problem when it is a disease problem. Oh, good lord!
Ah, that may certainly be one reason a hypothesis is created. But, a hypothesis can be created by asking a question and figuring and structuring a method to test the question which is then formulated in a hypothesis. That question may arise from deduction regarding an observation, a thought experiment, or some other question. But, a theory, as the term is used in science, may not yet exist. You seem to be confused of the terminology as used in science vs casual language. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothesis I have spent most of my life being active in several interrelated disciplines in the sciences, including teaching as a professor in a discipline for UWM (now one taught taught in a large number of universities) of which I was one of the pioneers, I taught one of the first, of not first graduate level course ever conducted in this arena in 1980, and one that didn’t even have a name for several years when I was first engaged in the study; many of my students went on to high level positions in the industry. There were no theories at the beginning, just question after question. I am still engaged, still no general theories, and we are still on a path of discovery, which has spawned other research, including the area I am now focused which is in the neural spatial and culture cognitive studies searching for the neural centers, if they are localized a question influencing several hypotheses and that will spawn new questions. While there are indications of a developmental process (still somewhat of use), a coherent theory has yet to emerge that explains the processes we think we see from the work done of the last 5-6 decades.
The terminology is the same either way. Words don't change meaning because, well, "science". A theory is a theory, a hypothesis is a hypothesis, evidence is evidence, and fact is fact. There is no "scientific" theory, no "scientific" evidence, no "scientific" facts, etc... Science is simply a set of falsifiable theories.
Lol. True yet they have the degrees and over history held onto their accomplishment even as their accomplishment lost appeal as new discoveries were made. Sean Carroll said on Rogan that scientists are not more rational than any other educated person For scientists are....human with the same human nature . With that said I believe in science and scientists but none are infallible nor are they Vulcans!
Extremist ? Well this view came from several different notable scientists! I love listening to long interviews with different scientists. Indeed most of my views come from such people and also philosophers. Several have talked about science and scientists in academia and how it works . And even what is taboo.
Those championing string theory do have an issue testing their mathematically based models. But, consider Einstein’s Special Theory Relativity was hotly debated for quite some time. Many felt it untestable at the time. However, Einstein suggested the means for testing it during a full Eclipse of the Sun and even made a precise measurement prediction as part of the test. It was Arthur Eddington, an astrophysicist, from Briton, who despite at the time Briton and Germany were at was getting details of the Theory, understood the math, and believed it was more than promising. He had enough confidence in the theory That he organized an expedition to South Africa in 1919 one of the two or three spots predicted to experience a complete eclipse to test the Theory. He was able to do the test and confirm Einstein’s precise predicted measurements. It was Eddington that was largely responsible for making Einstein an over night science rock star. There has been a test suggested, that could bolster confidence in string theory. It is one being closely watched in the results of particle collisions at CERN. One of the more controversial parts of Sting Theory is that for it postulates additional dimensions than those we experience. In collisions, results thus far, including for the Higgs is based on the Standard Model that predict precise sub particle results in the signatures based on energy releases at specific frequencies, all of which must satisfy E=MC2 prediction, meaning, regardless of the particles sum of energy release as out put of a collision must equal the input energy. Thus far data show results consistent with the Theory. But, some string Theorists, have suggested if the results of a collision, assuming E=MC2 is a valid assumption, result in a sum of energy signatures less than the input, it would be a strong indication that the missing energy might have been released into a different dimension. Will that be proof of another dimension or proof that string theory is correct? No, but it would give rise to a higher level of confidence than exists currently. If observed, it will be an explosive event (pun intended) likely headlined everywhere and a few will be lining up for the Nobel prize. Indecently, that it hasn’t been observed yet doesn’t mean the data doesn’t already exist. There is a massive library of results from the millions of particle collisions event recorded since CERN was operational that have yet to be analyzed. That data is publicly available on-line. You can access it at the CERN website and learn, pretty rapidly, how to do analysis of events; you could be the one.
Ah I recall the info on Einstein and the test you detailed. Using an eclipse . But the info on string theory and CERN was informative and well stated! Thanks ! And very interesting
The story of Einstein’s development and Eddington’s verification of Einstein’s proposed test of his theory that mass warps Time/Space is told in an excellent PBS special called ‘Light Falls’ hosted by Brian Green (A Well known String theorist and author - The Elegant Universe) that premiered last year on the 100 Year anniversary of Eddington’s verification. It is definitely a worthwhile view. I had heard that Einstein had a a quick humorous wit and enjoyed inflicting it on those about and it revealed in the special, but the special also brings down to earth the amazing rebellious thinker Einstein was. The full special can be found on YouTube. Enjoy.
Science is a process...a discipline...and how humans think and behave is meaningless. If you truly believe in 'science and scientists' then you should respect the integrity of the scientific process...
Trump has not yet had a single COVID briefing that doesn't contain multiple falslehoods. In fact, his briefing YESTERDAY continued that trend with falsehoods concerning science, his own statements, etc. Today on COVID he is one of the most anti-science voices we have - at a time when igoring science is LETHAL. And, the result is that there are many who are attacking Dr. Fauci, who is at the front line of trying to give us the truth.
You many note that this doesn't counter what I said. And, that goes double when you choose to toss in philosophers.
Trump derangement syndrome? I'm not even American what do I care about Trump? Again just because someone disagrees with you does not make their opinion invalid. Any more than your apparent hard on for all things Trump makes you always right. Also sorry to disappoint but I consistently test out as a political centrist, not a social progressive. And by both profession & temperament I assure I am also quite rational and fact driven. And once again - someone disagreeing with you does not automatically make that person irrational, indoctrinated or whatever other big words you've looked up in your thesaurus. If your sincerely believe it does ???
That is the point, and the danger, when 'science!', is hijacked for ideology purposes, and is no longer a method of discovery. ..and that is what has been happening for decades. Truth, reason, and even 'facts' become whatever the High Priests of Progressivism say, based on their credentials and flowing robes of sanctimony, NOT objective, scientific analysis. Progressive indoctrinees can parrot all the talking points and memorized dogma of the tenets of their ideological beliefs, but they are clueless about reason or science. Fallacies, not facts, reason, or scientific methodology, is all they offer, as this thread (and the entire forum) illustrates. Ad hom and false accusations are not 'rebuttals!'.. ..except in Progresso World.. I see this as typical projection and unwillingness to face facts. 1. My points about Trump Derangement Syndrome stand. The attacks toward the administration and his actions were ENTIRELY POLITICAL, and ignored the scientific and medical evidence that he based those decisions upon. 2. Revisionism does not change the facts.. except in Progresso World. 3. Appeals to a Deity do not improve your arguments, and only imply indignation, not reason. False accusations and unbased assertions, from propaganda talking points right out of 'The Daily Leftist', only expose you as a progressive indoctrinee, not a logical, scientific minded person. Excellent anti-science response! ..good illustration of assertion, ad hom, and dismissal, pretending to be a 'rational response!' I do appreciate the multiple examples from the progressive indoctrinees, here. They illustrate my premise very well! You can toot your own horn, about how 'rational and scientific!!', you are, while flinging ad hom, assertions, and deflections from the stated premise. This is not about politics, EXCEPT as an example of how ideology, specifically PROGRESSIVE ideology, has attempted to hijack True Science, to create a Bully pulpit, to brow beat any dissenters and promote a narrative. The example of Trump's decision to close travel with China is just one such example. Instead of objectively examining the facts, the progressive indoctrinees ALL pile on in unison, exposing their own ignorance and political bias. They are NOT driven by facts or science, but ideology, which has morphed into another viral disease: Trump Derangement Syndrome I welcome disagreement, and rational, logical debate, but that is nigh onto impossible, with progressive indoctrinees, who only have outrage, ad hom, equivocation, and other deflections, for their 'arguments'.
you seem confused. a discussion on science can't be had with people who don't know anything about it, or the terminology used. Both of you are sorely lacking in scientific knowledge. It's why so many of your moronic threads get destroyed, and subsequently moved to their proper forum.
You still don't get it? What you say above IS NOT science! True science cannot be hijacked! You need to change your sources of information...
Science facts !!! Few examples Newton laws Maxwell equations Einstein’s general and special relativity Evolution ! ! Big Bang ! Anyone who disputes this is either a religious nut or an ignoramus
