Putin Won't have it! WW2 was Wests' fault. Hitler was created and pushed to attack Russia.

There were only two options - Hitler and Stalin. Which one do you like more?

 

Ah, so logical... that after WWII Germany got aid instead of making them pay for it all, same with Japan, Irak, Afghanistan etc.
Obviously... totally unreasonable for WWI.

And so the west is responsible that Germans had it with the western allied, that they turned them into a slave nation, being in debt for eternity after WWI.

Has nothing to do with who did what kind of effort during WWII.

 

Has nothing to do with the German economy collapsing in 1925. That was due to the allied making the Germans pay up an impossible high debt.

The hell? lol
The Germans were given a choice between paying that impossible debt or being totally destroyed and having their population massacred in WWI. And they accused the west and the Jews/Jewish bankers over it, not their own government.

 

Same reason they joined WWI and WWII. I told you this before.

Not my problem you're repeating questions.
This aint no jeopardy.

Whatever. Just a lame personal attack that backfired.

People die in wars, buddy. And here you question if you put in more of an effort that you actually would lose more lives or something. You're just nitpicking around here, as if this can change the historic fact that the US entered really late in WWII. And in july 1940, the Russians were the only army fighting the nazi's on land. The Russians started to win from early 1942. And all that time, plenty of US companies were also helping out the Nazi's. The US chickened out on all of that, till the end of 1942 when they landed in Africa. I can't change that. So I fail to see why you're ranting all them questions as if this will change anything. It won't.

 

No, Germans blamed their own government for the defeat of WWI.
Yes, hyperinflation was caused in large measure by the reparations Germany had to pay
for destroying half of Europe. No-one was massacring Germany civilians.
The allies agreed to reduce these payments and loan more money to Germany.
Talk of "Jewish bankers" is anti-Semitic racism. Many Jews died as German nationals
fighting for Germany.
And any recovery was wiped out when everyone was wiped out in 1929.

An interesting, simple little graphic which presents both our POV's.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zccfj6f/revision/3

 

Nope. They blames the Jews and the western Allied. It's not as if they were unaware about their insanely massive debt they were made to pay.

They were about to destroy Germany and massacre the Germans if they did not agree to sign something insanely. The likes of that has never been done again. Not against the Germans after WWII, not against Irak or Afghanistan. It was just wrong and stupid of the US/UK/France to have made it like that.

After Germany went bankrupt. It predates the depression. The Germans knew who to blame for it. Hence, the rise of Hitler. It's generally well accepted that treaty of Versailles did that. Putin probably points at it too, with his claim that it's the fault of the west.

Yup. That's how it went down in Germany. Do note, the Jews had an easier life before WWII than black people in the US with their apartheid ideals made into laws and custom.

 

So you are saying historians are wrong when they say the Germans blamed their own government
for their defeat? Certainly the allies were to "blame" for their defeat - but historians say the Germans
felt their government mismanaged the war and capitulated.
We can expect Putin to say anything against the allies - he's a paragon of Truth, isn't he? Just making
any claim about the West is cause for me suspecting the opposite. The graphic link I showed you is a
very good one - seems quite fair and very simply put.

 

Did you read the link I sent?
As always, things are more complex than simple Putin style statements.
Hyperinflation was cured by:

Calling off the ‘passive resistance’ of German workers in the Ruhr. This helped Germany’s economy
because goods were back in production and the Government could stop printing money to pay striking
workers.

Promising to begin reparations payments again. This persuaded France and Belgium to end the
occupation of the Ruhr by 1925.

Introducing a new currency called the Rentenmark. This stabilised prices as only a limited number were
printed meaning money rose in value. This helped to restore confidence in the German economy.

Reducing the amount of money the government spent (700,000 government employees lost their jobs) so that its
budget deficit reduced

Renegotiating reparations
The payment of reparations, which had caused the hyperinflation crisis in the first place, had to resume, but
Stresemann’s decisive actions in the autumn of 1923 gained Germany the sympathy of the Allies. They agreed to
renegotiate payments and this led to two new repayment plans in the next five years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zccfj6f/revision/3

 

This is about... who is to blame for Hitler and WWII. And Germans idea who shoved that treaty of Versailles down their throat or else faced total destruction and massacres.... were the Allied and they blamed the Jews. And you're turning this into who do you think they blame for losing WWI. That's not the same, and irrelevant.

It is generally well accepted that the Allied with their Versailles treaty are a main cause why WWII happened.
It's rather weird you're here thinking you can defy this.

 

So freaking what that the Hyperinflation was cured. The country still went dead broke. That has an utterly massive effect on the economy of any country. How can you not understand this? They had their utterly massive crisis before the depression.

 

Beware of any simple, one dimensional "explanation" for anything.
Germany could have been rich and powerful in the early 1930's
and STILL gone Fascist. It felt it had the right to rule Europe as it
was the strongest. Why should England have the colonies and
dominate the world?
And another crucial factor for Hitler coming to power was the
Great Depression.

 

It's not "well accepted" that Versailles was the main cause.
It was ONE cause.
Other causes included the rise of Fascism in Europe, the
fight against Bolshevism, mismanagement of the economy,
military humiliation and most of all - the Great Depression.
The latter proved a Godsend to Hitler.

Without the Great Depression I put it to you there would be
no Hitler.

Did you read the link?
By 1928 industrial production levels were higher than those of 1913 (before World War One)
Between 1925 and 1929 exports (sending goods or services abroad) rose by 40 per cent
Hourly wages rose every year from 1924 to 1929 and by 10 per cent in 1928 alone
IG Farben, a German chemical manufacturing company, became the largest industrial company in Europe
Generous pension, health and unemployment insurance schemes were introduced from 1927

 

You don't go from bankrupt to rich and powerful in 5 years, buddy.
They also still had to pay an utterly massive debt after they went broke.
Not as massive as before, but it was still huge.

 

I noted that it's .. A .. main cause. And that is generally well accepted. And so it is.

Great depression - not relevant - the country went broke in 1925 due to Versailles.
Mismanagement of the economy - uncalled for - The Germans were MADE to pay an insane amount of money due to Versailles.
Military humiliation - They couldn't pay up and so got invaded, due to Versailles.
Military humiliation - couldn't have an airforce and weren't allowed to have a big army, not being allowed to defend their German/French border... due to Versailles.


"other" causes... lol

They already went broke. So it didn't play a roll.
I told you this before. The end of hyperinflation did not solve them from being totally broke.

 

You have some credible links to this "generally well accepted" philosophy of yours? Or is it a case of verbal flatulation.

Fact is , is that the West is not responsible for Hitler's rise to where he got.

The Kremlin sock puppet can speculate all he likes....it really means **** all in the grand scheme.

The Georgian cobbler Stalinovka made a monumental blunder by saddling up with the Krauts and it cost them big time.

Who's really laughing now?? Where's the Berlin Wall, the SU, Warsaw pact, Marxism/Leninism, KGB, 40 yrs after hostilities and New York State has a bigger GDP than Russia. Germany reunited, in NATO, and a world economic powerhouse. Poetic justice is a biyatch!!!

 

https://www.history.com/news/treaty-of-versailles-world-war-ii-german-guilt-effects

Why not? The west made that versailles treaty, the reason why Hitler got to power.

That has nothing to do with why WWII started.

 

I don't consider anything East of Greenwich as Western or Occident; well, maybe some exception, Germany aren't Western or the West; Too much East Germany Trabant Communism backward ideology to be considered part of the Occident.

Nah, they're Eastern Europeans to me; granted their further West than Poland, Germany's still an Eastern European Country, not the freedom loving West.

UK's just about West.

 

The allies had already backed off the payments required of Germany
when the Great Depression hit. I can see you didn't read that graphical
link I sent you. In very simple terms it shows the two sides of each
opinion.

 

I do think it was rough for the British to declare war in the largest war in human history on the pretext of protecting Polish sovereignty, then sell them out to the SECOND worst dictator of the 20th century from the first.

 

I don't; the British were generally right in keeping the Soviets in the war, and they were right to abandon Poland to its fate. Without the Polish cooperation with the Nazi roundups of Jews, followed by the locals murdering the surviving Jews who insisted on leaving the camps and returning to their homes after the war was over, leaving so many with no choices at all other than Israel, the Nazis wouldn't have been able to murder so many in Operation Reinhardt, ditto for the other Slav countries.

They sold themselves out; Britain and the allies owed them less than nothing, certainly not the costs of an invasion to free them from their just rewards. Jews were still fleeing the East after the war, as one of my uncles stationed in Austria saw with his own eyes. The Brits looked out for themselves, like every other country did, except the U.S., who kept everybody up, and now have little to show for it these days, so yet another lesson learned, and why Trump's foreign policies are so popular here in the U.S. among the older and better educated citizens, especially reducing military welfare for fat Euros and wasting money on such farces as WHO and the UN. Finland has been more of an honest ally than the rest of Europe has.

 

I agree with defunding the UN and WHO.

 

It's a tough road for anyone to try and defend funding those two farces, regardless of where one is on the political spectrum.

 

More history revisionism

 

Exactly. Hitler wasn't elected to power for no reason at all and the population didn't rally round him over hatred for Jews or because they wanted to get their grubby hands on the vast lands to the east. All Germans wanted was prosperity - and Hitler (like no other ruler previous) had promised to deliver it. The snowball of treachery didn't even begin to roll until Hitler started feeling his oats and he felt invincible. After that, the German population was "In for a penny, in for a pound."

People tend to ignore that fact.

 

Lame rebuke, that goes with no sources or arguments.