After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronav

You have never done anything but make the accusation. Man up and point out my errors. Be specific. No more of this generic “flaw” business. Your credibility is at stake.

 

LOL...The best that you can hope for is that "our" conversation merely gets lost in the shuffle of a long thread. You will undoubtedly have that hope fulfilled. Fortunately for you, there is not a scarlet letter etched across your nickname when you get owned in a debate. Just keep marching on and pretending like you have made a point. No one will notice.

 

Right guy wrong name.

Zelenko

 

until proven safe, it will not be used, that is why members of Congress are not using

Trump was criticized for telling people it was the cure before we know if it is or not - it may help, it may not

Trump has been wrong so many times, maybe he gets lucky and get one guess right, who knows

 

Cool. Any data to back up the more treatments than infected? First I’ve heard that one.

 

https://ocnygis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/21de1fb5ce0c480f95dc0cf2b8b83b71

Palmtree is KJ. Since they think they're immune and are densely packed (and don't practice social distancing)..they have by far the highest number of cases in Orange County

And SILL have only 350 cases...whereas this Kook claims to have now cured 700

 

Scary stuff, I'm so terrified about YOUR perception of my "credibility". Go back through my posts if you're that interested and re-read the multiple flaws in your posts I've pointed out to you. Personally I don't give a flying one if you do or don't, I posted the article as well as the purpose for posting that article. Take it or leave it, you are not my concern.

 

Ah you believe I have some kind of interest in a "debate". A debate is a game of sorts where there is a winner and a loser. I joined this forum for the purpose of discussing various issues I'm interested in discussing, preferably with adults of reasonable intelligence. I didn't join to play games. If you want to play games, there are several gaming sites you ought to join. I am not "hoping" for anything in particular other than perhaps a pleasant discussion about various issues. If I haven't made any "point" to YOU despite that I explicitly expressed it multiple times, it's only because you either have reading comprehension issues or perception issues. Either way. it's not my concern, it's YOUR problem.

 

No games. Just two different opinions, where one opinion was demonstrated to be based on a sound foundation of knowledge, revolving around that subject actually being that person's career; and the other opinion was shown to be based on an obviously and woefully incomplete understanding of a link that they read on the internet. Dont feel bad. You never had a chance. It is all there in black and white. Everyone can read it. Nothing you say now is going to change anything. Now go away. Yeesh! There is nothing else to discuss.

 

It’s interesting that media only mentions one group of people from one clinic. Zelenko has clinics in Monroe and Pomona. Also, he apparently sees patients from New Jersey as well, where he actually lives. Here are sources for that information.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...ogy/doctor-zelenko-coronavirus-drugs.amp.html

https://npino.com/primary-clinic/1902436827-vladimir-zev-zelenko-md-pc./

Covering such a large area with clinics and seeing patients from New Jersey as well I don’t see how his claims on numbers would be outside the realm of possibility. And I don’t think he’s ever claimed all his patients were tested with a PCR test.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder how much distrust of Zelenko comes from the fact he is a Russian immigrant Jew? Interesting to think about.

Also, to be clear, I’m content to wait and see if Zelenko’s claims are all true, but remember how Lois Pasteur was treated when he put forth his contributions to science.

 

And it is ALL anecdotal not double blinded and no real evidence that the “cure” did zip

Sorry but I like my science to have a lot more rigor.

 

I accept your concession and note your lack of concern about credibility. As I’ve done with others here who make unfounded claims I will simply point out your errors without any expectation of meaningful debate.

Stay safe.

 

So do I. Please take note of my Pasteur reference.

 

So he's "curing" people that may not have even had the disease?

Ok then

 

Check my thread on the possibility of ivermectin in treating viruses

 

My point here is mainly if we want accuracy and accountability from the likes of Zelenko we should hold ourselves to the same standards. Making false claims about the man or leaving out relevant information is disingenuous. It leads many to believe the skeptics have an agenda beyond health and science. I’m not making accusations, I’m sending up warning flares.

 

My point is that there are rules for scientific research and they are there for a bloody good reason or two or three

Question - Dis this doctor get ethics approval for his little experiment?

 

From reading his claims, that’s the way it sounds to me. Some of his patients are not confirmed.

He’s been honest about that as far as I can tell. It’s interesting you are just learning that. This is the problem here. Nobody wants truth, just something to use as a club politically.

That’s not how we fix this problem.

 

My point is that his claims are insanely unrealistic.

Aside from everything else...claiming 750 "cures" in what...4 weeks?

That's like 190 a week. Over 30 a day in a 6 day week. Is he even LOOKING at these patients?

Huh?

 

Sure. We have a system designed to maximize safety in normal circumstances. We aren’t in a normal circumstance.

Why would he need approval? What exactly is the ethics violation?
Did Pasteur get approval?

 

Maybe they are. Maybe they aren’t. My point is let’s base our criticisms on facts and science. A study with no control and 11 seriously I’ll subjects is now being touted as proof Chloroquine doesn’t work. Do you see the inconsistency there? Does that bother you?

 

When's the last time we quickly developed a miracle treatment for a new virus? Never? It took over a decade to develop a cocktail a drugs that keep people with AIDS alive. And we've still lost 30 million people so far from that one. Any treatments for Covid are going to take awhile and have limited effect.

 

Fascinating. Now I have to go dig up the research unless you have a link.

Glad I bought for the year a couple months ago. We go through about 40 liters of 5mg/ml pour-on ivermectin a year. Probably won’t be available next year. If they can figure out how to treat C-19 effectively/safely with it I won’t complain.

Genetics in canines plays a big part in ivermectin safety in that species. We have Border Collies, one breed with genetic predisposition to sensitivity so we are very careful with ivermectin around them. I wonder if there is a genetic factor in humans?

 

Apparently the poster feels that a completely untrained in all things medical Dirty Donald, is somehow qualified to give medical advice???

 

He was being mocked for publicly pushing an untested cure. That is how you kill people.

Scientists were testing it long before trump knew anything about it. If it is useful it will be used.