Stay at home orders are a joke, here's why

The State of Washington never saw and exponential rise in the number of cases and appears to have already peaked. The Governor is sending emergency equipment to NY because it won't be needed in Washington. And they had it first! The very first patient identified was in Washington. Remember the convalescent home in Kirkland.

They were among the first to close schools and stop public gatherings, and then order shelter in place. Washington is the shining example of how to manage this crisis. And they are proof that this can be managed. California and Oregon have also done well.

Once again the West Coast leads the nation and shows everyone else how it's done. Everyone should look to West Coast liberals for guidance.

I had to laugh, the day before trump was forced to praise Washington, he was dissing the Governor.

 

What I was getting at was we have had pa Demi a break out before, and none of these stay at home orders have been put into effect. And guess what? We survived and got through just fine, despite all of this “life or death” talk. No social distancing, no wearing masks or gloves. And we are still here. We single handedly killed our economy by freaking out over this unlike the past. Might be because social media is more present than it was during the last pandemic.

You’re right. We can be as paranoid as a crack addict, but in the end we have to accept whatever may come our way. Someone might leave their house only once to get something as simple as milk, get the virus and die. Or someone might be an essential worker, be out on the front lines everyday, and never be asymptomatic. It’s how nature works. It goes back to my point that the government is not responsible for our health, whether we live or die is up to us and no order can stop that reality.

All the orders need to be lifted, quite honestly. Allow people to celebrate Easter. In my home state, Gov Wolf issued a order only after New York and New Jersey did. This tells me all the order is, regardless of which state it is in, is not for public health but simply out of peer pressure.

 

Dont worry. These people are all talk. We all know they arent leaving their parents basement.

 

I can see merit in what you're saying. I guess it boils down to two things, as far as 'government edicts' are concerned... either they should refrain from issuing any 'edicts' until they are certain of what the hell they are talking about and declaring that the rest of us must or must not do -- OR -- tell us upfront, "Hey, we aren't really sure of anything right now except that this virus can kill you, but we definitely advise you to use every caution and common-sense protocol imaginable in deciding for yourself what you will do or not do."

And you're right about the "peer-pressure", too. I've noticed that the Democrat governors of states tend to act almost in 'lock-step' -- and sometimes that is a good thing, but not always. Hell... there's still so much that's 'up in the air' right now, but many people are dying!

Still, in the event they actually DO conclusively assemble a body of facts (that don't change from one day to the next), then the government should come out HOT and HARD and demand that everybody -- high and low -- take certain measures to observe MANDATORY behaviors until this virus is brought under control and we have medicine in hand to fight it effectively.

 

Sweden doesn’t have lock down orders. They are doing just fine. So is South Korea.

 

Coming to America?
During a televised address, President Rodrigo Duterte sent 57 million Philippine residents a harsh message saying, “Defy the lockdown order and the police will shoot you dead.”

 

Trump praised Duterte for his death squads back when they were just executing suspected drug users on sight.

 

Our Surgeon General had an interesting point in his reference to Pearl Harbor.

Today, the US death toll from COVID is 5 times that of Pearl Harbor. And, numerous people have died without having been confirmed - making our count of the dead an undercount.

And, it is absolutely not under control at this time as can be seen.

The attack on the US continues devestating our economy and taking more lives each day.

After December 7, 1941 the people of the USA came together in a stupendous effort producing volunteers, equipment and supplies needed.

Like at Pearl Harbor, we need to increase manufacturing of the material and supplies needed and we need to come together to take the actions and make the sacrifices necessary.

Today, we see our federal government tell states that it's all up to them, that our supplies can't be marshalled to where they are needed, that our only weapon, social separation, doesn't really need to be used, etc., etc.

Far too many are reacting as wimps, more focused on denying the threat than doing what's necessary to end this attack. Instead of "what can I do" we hear "surely that doesn't apply to me".

 

I'm going to stick to my diagnosis. Your behaviour is fear driven.

When we're at a point where even small children understand the need to stay at home if we want to beat this thing, that can be the only explanation for your insistence on sabotage. IOW, staying at home means you'll have to admit that there really is a problem.

 

Move there then.

 

Considering, but more to the point—What did they do that we didn’t? Testing and masks.

 

So? Like I said, move there.

 

The threat is real, the government run healthcare system pathetically sucks. They are a bunch of incompetent affholes.

A free market healthcare system would have been outstandingly better. And it will be the capitalists who will save us, not fkn government stooges.

 

Like I said, considering. Singapore comes to mind also.

 

Not really. Sweden is currently at a 40 per million death rate. US is at 29 per million. South Korea did extensive testing and isolated positives very quickly.

*Fingers crossed the US stays at the low death rate. We are currently doing better than much of Europe.

 

I TOTALLY disagree with that.

Hospitals today ARE capitalist entities. They have to be run as businesses.

There is NO possibility that such an entity would find it possible to invest in hundreds of thousands of dollars in staff, equipment, beds and supplies that are highly unlikely to be necessary even once in a ten year period.

Look at all the other businesses that are finding it hard to stay alive.

Are you claiming that they are ALL horrbly run, because they didn't operate in a way consistent with surviving a pandemic???

 

It's more than that. The social isolation is crucial.

 

That is true, if nothing else. Though not in NY

 

We'll see how the next two weeks goes. We're in the thick of it, now. Max deaths/day expected 4/16.

 

Yes - new cases per day is still exponential.

And, new areas are becoming hot spots.

 

Ah, capitalism prohibits government interference in the free markets—Our healthcare system is many things, capitalistic isn’t one of them.


Defend capitalism, the only system to provide outstanding healthcare at free market prices.

 

They didn’t lock down the economy. The solution is to Isolate the high risk, quarantine the infected, and wear masks in public gatherings . No massive deaths, no massive infections, no Great Depression.

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If we hd followed those quite lines, the economy would still be up and running.
Ad it is now, the economy will not recover got 25+ years.

 

It's a disaster. The obsession with 'muh rights' is your worst enemy in a crisis.

 

Nonsense. It's true that hospitals get some help. For example, they get some support for treating indigent patients.

And, it's true that they are mostly not for profit.

But, neither of these affects whether or not they are capitalist - just like clinics, dentists, and other providers that aren't hospitals.

The same is true for many other businesses. For example, we give our tax dollars to prop up banks, airlines, etc. That doesn't mean they aren't capitalist.

 

Come into the real world.

“Authority Impacting Hospitals

Four federal agencies account for 629 regulatory requirements that health systems, hospitals and post-acute care providers must comply with, yet providers are subject to regulation and oversight from many other sources.

https://www.aha.org/system/files/2018-01/info-regulatory-burden-federal-agencies.pdf

click it and learn.

Free markets mean a separation between the state and the economy. Healthcare is run de facto by government regulators. And that ain’t Capitalism.


Guess you decided to skip the video. Too much thinking required, I suppose..