Biden just proved why he should never be elected President and Commander in Chief

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    As the SecNAv said yesterday in sending out his letter to multiple persons over unsecured channels the captain was either too naive and incompetent to command or did so purposely so it would get leaked and was on the Desk of the Chinese JCS as quickly as it was our own.
     
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    The man stood up for his troops and got punished for it because it made the administration look bad.

    That type of **** should not happen in a good and decent administration.
     
  3. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    He endangered our national security unnecessarily and lost the confidence of his commanders. It he wasn't relieved of that command then the persons in the administration whose responsibility is was should be removed. Sorry you don't grasp national security and military protocol.
     
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    National Security? Unnecessarily?

    The troops on his ship were actively getting infected - there's your risk to national security.

    The previous reports were not resulting in an appropriate level of protection for those troops - there's your necessary.
     
  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes and they aren't troops on his ship they are sailors and if there was so much fear why did all the sailors gather in a one big group on the hanger deck to cheer the captain? The Navy was making preparations to house them on shore, that takes time you can't just pull up to the dock order them off the boat and lock the doors. He violated national security by informing the world the readiness status of his command, out the door.
     
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    The pissy Trump fanatics will persist in their dung-flinging at Biden, of course. Their emotional dependence on their lying, insecure, crybaby narcissist demands it. Fake Don's squalid attempt to smear and demonize his political opponent with that pathetic Ukraine scam was exposed and blew up in his face.

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    No credible evidence has been contrived by the Trump regime or by the governments of Ukraine or China - to whom the lowlife had appealed - to charge Biden with any crime, so the lickspittles will have to snivel, "Lock him up! Lock him up!" without any rational pretext, respect for due process, or for other requirement of American jurisprudence.

    If Americans wish to return to normalcy, as elections since 2.9 million more had expressed such a preference in November, 2016, and re-affirmed in 2018, they will do so, and no amount of fanatical veneration or deviant recourse will frustrate that pent-up, patriotic demand.

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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    It may be appropriate to initiate a thread to compile all the crackpot confections that will be propagated to smear Biden.

    Here is one that is now making the rounds:
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  8. Bluesguy

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    This is about Biden, do try to focus and not derail.
     
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    Maybe. But I'd like more details on the issue before jumping to a "guilty" conclusion. Based on what I currently know, the captain did the right thing, & his dismissal was wrong. Saving the lives of innocent sailors is more important than rigidly following the chain of command in peacetime.
     
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    Actually, it was the decision of the Secretary of the Navy, & I believe he fired the captain without consulting the people you mention. The Secretary of the Navy is a political appointee of Trump, & highly political. He was acting on behalf of Trump, & was wrong in his action.
     
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    You are right in the details, except I wasn't lying. He WAS fired from his job as captain of the aircraft carrier, but retained his rank & his naval career.
     
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    The captain was trying to save his sick crew members. In a time of peace, why should I care whether his call for help found its way to the desk of the Chinese JCS or not? That's irrelevant.
     
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    Fake Don will be spewing most of the bullshit himself, of course:

    On March 26, 2020 in a Hannity show interview,
    speaking of his restriction on travel from China,

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    “I had (Joe) Biden calling me xenophobic...
    He called me a racist, because of the fact that
    he felt it was a racist thing to stop people
    from China coming in!”
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    The Captains first duty is to carry out his mission and protect national security. In a time when our biggest advisories are constantly challenging us and pushing the envelope for territorial and political gains..............yes you should care that the Chinese military get this classified information about the readiness status of our forces, if you can't grasp that I can't help you. Are they broadcasting the status of all their ships and air wings?
     
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    He attacked the travel restriction stating we cannot allow Trump to act unnecessarily and xenophobic, he was quite clear and he was quite wrong and we should be glad he was not in charge.
     
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    Had nothing to do with Trump and in went up the chain to the person in charge the SecNav. And the Navy was already taking steps to deal with the outbreak on the ship.
     
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    Sending out a letter detailing the status of your forces through unsecured channels is NEVER the right thing to do.........PERIOD. He could no longer be trusted with that information. He no longer had the trust of his command. He doesn't know what the JCS know, they may know of a possible need for action because of some intelligence they have which he doesn't.
     
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    Like murdering an entire innocent village? Mowing down children? Drone strikes against unarmed civilians?

    What about seizing American’s guns if the order ever came down, should they “obey his commander and execute his orders”. Everything isn't as black and white as y’all wish it was.
     
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    If Biden were POTUS and was following in the footsteps of his former boss he can’t remember the name of, Barack Obama, then the captain would have been a Wahhabist Muslim like the former CIA director Brennan, and have let the ship be captured by Iranian gunboats

    After which, Biden would have awarded the captain with a Medal of Honor for not exposing the crew to harm
     
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    I am abundantly aware of the danger of the Chinese (or any other potential enemy) getting info about our ships or their locations, but I know they do that all the time--just as we do in reverse. The captain's effort to save the lives of his crew in no way endangered our military forces. What he did was the correct thing to do, & I honor him, his courage, & his personal values as a captain.
     
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    And where exactly, are you getting your information about this?
     
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    The potential of his letter triggering military conflict was infinitesimal, but the risk of his losing many innocent young sailor's lives was practically assured. I heard a few days later that the number of positives on that ship had risen to 230. The captain was absolutely right in taking the action he did, when he did. What would you be accusing him of if he'd remained silent & lost 80-90% of his crew? Do you think he'd have kept his captaincy? I don't.
     
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    Stop with the excuse making HE VIOLATED NATIONAL SECURITY BY DISCLOSING THE READINESS OF HIS COMMAND THROUGH UNSECURED CHANNELS...........................PERIOD The Captain would have been right to follow his orders and keep his opinions through proper secure channels and if he was not satisfied the resign his command. He wasn't going to los 80-90 % of his crew, the Navy was taking proper measures.
     
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    Go back are read the Navy's statements.
     
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    Fired in the military means you no longer are a member of the military. People are moved from posts every day. Has nothing to do with being fired. It just means they lacked the ability to keep doing an assignment. I don't expect civilians to understand the military, though. Fired in the military means you are no longer in the armed forces and you have received your DD214.
     

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