Pelosi says the country must move toward vote by mail

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  1. Bluesguy

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    No they seem to be working.
     
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    Mail-in voting introduces corruption and fraud???? OH what a crock! Trump showed his hand. He said with vote-by-mail he's afraid no republican would ever be elected again. He wants to REDUCE the number of people voting by various crooked and targeted tricks. Where is @Seth Bullock ? He and I are both from Oregon where mail-in voting is THE way of voting and has been for many years. Studies are done constantly to find and expose fraud, and no statistically significant "fraud" has ever been found. And the handful of cases that have been found over the years mostly turn out to be honest mistakes. There is plenty of studies and data about our voting on the web so any of you can look up legitimate, factual data to sooth your souls.

    Trump-the-congenital-liar is worried because it has been proven that the fewer the people that vote, the better chance the republicans have of winning. But in 2016 the turnout in Oregon was 80% of registered voters. THAT is what pisses off the republicans. They want to steal the election because they can't win any other way.
     
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    I'm sorry you don't recognize the limits to federal power, especially where elections are concerned.
    Why would you support a law the federal government has no power to enact?
     
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  4. Bluesguy

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    The VRA only concerns equal access according to race it does not tell a state what method or dates or anything about holding the election and certainly can't mandate a vote by mail scheme.

    What don't you understand about the Constitution?
     
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    Question, if it is unconstitutional will you?
     
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    Everyone knows this.
    Everyone.
     
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  7. Bluesguy

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    What "central database" there is no such thing elections are state run they are not centralized.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    They still don't get it.
     
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    All but two states are "winner-take-all" voting states. If 51% of the vote in NY is for "A" and 49% is for someone else, the state reports 100% of electors for "A". This means 49% of the voters are disenfranchised because their vote is overruled and ignore.
     
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    They do - they just refuse to admit it to themselves.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    We didn't seem to have many problems voting back in the 1950's why so now?
     
  12. Bluesguy

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    Utter nonsense, you ONLY vote for Electors for your state and how your state will cast it's votes and you ONLY get to do that is your state allows you to do so. The STATES elect the President not the PEOPLE how many times does that have to be repeated?
     
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    You are joking, right?
    Have you ever heard of the VRA?

    Oh you mean white men had no problem... I see the goal now.
     
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    Great news! So then why do all politicians and media count the votes "for the candidate" instead of "for the electors"?

    That alone is corrupt disenfranchisement. All but two states are "winner-take-all". What happens to the votes for the alternative? They're ignored. Prove me wrong because you haven't yet.
     
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    This is growing boring...
    Popular vote is not states
    It isn’t one case, just the most recent and egregious
    The one that just went to SCOTUS involving gerrymandering
    Law that republicans refused to alter
    Outright lie
    No, I mean your childish deflection and games
     
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    If the VRA can mandate who is allowed to vote and Federal laws limit the ability of states to make changes to particular portions of legislation surrounding voting then the Federal Government can mandate all states must provide the option of absentee voting

    Why do you want to suppress voters?
     
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    The VRA can only address equal opportunity it cannot mandate how a vote will take place or the methods used and all states have had absentee ballots long before the VRA.
     
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    Social Security numbers are a “central database” — it could easily be upgraded to a National ID.

    It will be a wonderful thing when the boomers are out of office and we can move out of the dark ages.
    Y’all have destroyed everything you have touched — when will you be satisfied with the damage inflicted?
     
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    The only popluar votes are in the states, the ONLY VOTING is within the states there is no national voting there is no national election.

    And they are limited to Republicans

    Which one there have been several before the SCOTUS

    Which law and be specific

    The law required Wisconsin to hold it's vote

    You mean you childish deflection and games. I am directly addressing everything you post with factual rebuttal.
     
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    Regardless of what their claimed reasons are, you can always determine the Cheater's position on these issues by selecting the position that will enable the most voter fraud.

    I HAD BEEN ASSURED VOTER FRAUD WAS A MYTH: Mail-In Ballots Make Voter Fraud Easy. I Know Because I Did It.

    He made up a name and registered to vote, and then asked for a mail-in ballot.

    The absentee ballot for Hannah Arendt appeared in my mailbox a week or two later.

    I called a former Florida secretary of state in 2012 and asked him how was it possible that I was able to do this.

    Well, he said, the fact is that they check names of people applying to register to vote against several different databases, but they have no way to check to see whether someone exists.

    That’s just one way people can cheat with absentee ballots. There are many more.​

    Last year, a political operative working for North Carolina Republican congressional candidate Mark Harris was charged with fraud for directing a group of people to fill out as many as one thousand absentee ballot requests on behalf of voters — most of whom were unaware the ballots were being requested.

    These people then collected the ballots and filled them out themselves. Harris defeated Democrat Dan McCready by just 905 votes and, though it was never shown that the number of tainted ballots was enough to account for Harris’s win, the election results were thrown out and a new election was held.

    In 2019, a Democrat city clerk in Southfield, Michigan, was arrested and charged with six felonies for falsifying absentee ballot records to say that 193 of the ballots in one election were missing signatures or a return date, when in fact they had both. The correct records were found in the trash can in her office.

    The voter rolls are a mess.

    Several states and counties refuse to maintain accurate voter rolls, allowing the names of thousands of dead voters, felons and non-citizens to remain in the system. Messy voter rolls make election fraud much easier.

    PILF is currently suing Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, for allowing the same person to register to vote seven times.

    “It’s the exact same name, the exact same date of birth,” Adams said, as well as the same address. But the city and state won’t remove the extra registrations.

    “In a vote by mail scheme, they’ll mail seven ballots.” ​
     
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    Go ask them, what is the most important number they show on election night the so-called popular vote or the tally of electors won?

    You enfranchisement is your ability to cast your vote you don't get disfranchised if the person for whom you vote, or their electors, lose.

    Franchise
    to admit to the privileges of a citizen and especially to the right of suffrage
     
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    My State of Kentucky already is passing a bill { we now have a Liberal
    Governor } to change existing state law for Voting by mail for Seniors.
    Changing Absentee ballot rules.
    Making it far easier.That means ... something very troubling.
    The next Democrat slick dog move.To pull what they did in California.
    Called Ballott Harvesting or Vote Harvesting.Which is how California
    turned very blue in 2018 and Pelosi became the new Speaker.
     
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    Oh GEEZ what a CF that would be. Here's a hint, the states are NOT going to turn over their election authority to the Federal Government nor rely on a government database filled with fake, out dated and fraudulently used SS numbers.

    Elections and voting is NOT a FEDERAL issue nor a FEDERAL mandate go read the Constitution.
     
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    Tracking pizza and voting for the leader of the United States. All the same! And we cannot even get in person voting correct today! How rich!!
     
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    If a chain restaurant can do it the most powerful and wealthy nation on the planet should be able to do it — or are you saying Americans are incompetent?
     

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