Federal documents: more than 300,000 likely to die if restrictions are lifted

You plan to retire in the next 12 months?

 

Time will tell; in the meanwhile the deaths continue to climb with no end in sight. The second wave should be very telling.

 

Yes, maybe as telling as the millions of deaths predicted months ago, eh?

Now that fewer people are driving, I wonder if that second wave will take as many as US highways take every month?

 

Yes. Had been in the works for two years.

 

Sad to hear, but these things happen.

 

Social distancing in the workplace is a useless, silly, feel good measure. And with many millions of essential workers interacting daily, it has done little to stop anything.

So we flatten the curve and extend it by a couple of weeks at most, maybe. But we feel like we're accomplishing something, and that bureaucrats actually know what they're doing, and that's what's really important.

 

Your retirement is being ruined to save no lives

 

Indeed they do - and are happening all across the country. I want to see a re-opening, but want it to be safe.

 

As I said it doesn’t matter the shape of the graph, go ahead draw whatever bell shape you like.


Are you going to address the fact you were wrong and it’s not the total number under the graph but the peak, that’s the issue, having more cases than it is possible to treat at one time and what flattening the curve is all about.

We can wait

 

No one will be 'forced' to go back to work. No one was before the virus, nor after the virus.

Unemployment is for people who have lost their employment for no cause of their own. They need to make a choice, or make arrangements with their employers for extending their leave. They should practice personal social distancing, hygiene and common sense.

 

This somebeachin' corona is coming back far worse then ever on Nov. 22 for a winter round to get those who have escaped the spring round. It was on GMA. Must be true! Gonna get you!!!!!!!!

Right now they're trying real hard to scare people up -- showing COVID toe, plantar COVID lesions, revealing that a lot of people getting off the ventilator alive (not many come off alive) have severe kidney disfunction and have to go on dialysis, a lot of people have permanent lung damage, all the scary shet they weren't revealing before, plus the new winter killer attack is on the way.

They still NEVER mention the survival / death rate for ventilators. It's a piss poor modality of treatment, poor results.

Obey your elites you somebeaches, Obey your elites. Do not shatter the windows and tear down the walls like Bob Dylan said to do!!!!!!! The drones are coming for you!!!!!!

 

When an employer needs their employee the employee must go back to work, or lose their benefits. Period.

 

You have no means to quantify anything in your graph. It is pure speculation and void of any scientific merit.

 

We don't really need to work again, ever.
The gov will supply all of the goods and services we need, and the money to pay for it all.
Plus retirement.
Better days ahead!

 

Lockdowns do not stop a virus. Masks do not stop a virus. Gloves do not stop a virus. Shutting down the economy does not stop a virus. Social distancing does not stop a virus.

Immune systems stop a virus. UV stops a virus.

 

You didn’t stipulate first wave in your previous post but now that you have I’d still disagree with you. There are very few businesses that couldn’t safely open with safeguards such as mask and or hand and surface sanitizing.

 

Yup.

Here's an example for the people who think that "flattening the curve" saves lives. Everyone can try this at home to verify.

Take a gallon of water. Pour it through a 1" diameter opening. Note how long it takes for the water to flow through.

Then take another gallon of water. Pour it through a 0.25" diameter opening. Note how long it takes for the water to flow through.


What one will notice is that the first gallon flowed through faster than the second gallon did. What one will also notice is that in both examples, the exact same amount of water flowed through regardless of how fast it flowed through.


"Flattening the curve" does not save lives. The same amount of people will get infected. The same amount of people will die. They'll just die at a slower rate, but the end result will be the same.

 

Nice try, but I live in the bluest part of the bluest state. Care to discuss the blue reaction?

 

In standard situations, that would be correct.

Are you aware of Families First Coronavirus Response Act? Some light reading for when you are bored.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6201

 

oh please, your claim was that flattening the curve would have zero impact on the number of deaths, the graphs were an illustration to get the point across. Ignore the graphs if you want too and concentrate of the description of the problem.

if you have more people needing critical care than you have capacity then all of those people who cannot be treated will die. The point of flattening the curve is to reduce the peak so you never run out of capacity. So far critical care capacity has not been exceeded and we have been able to provide critical care to everyone who has needed it.

So are you going to claim this is not true or that you some how know the critical care capacity would never have been exceeded

 

Sounds like the anti abortion argument. "If it only saves one life" Rather than running around in circles with my arms flailing, I would just suggest opening up all businesses under the same guidelines as grocery stores. That fake figure is based on 100% reversal, not easing restrictions. Any reasonable person could see the difference.

 

Guess we'll all have to wait and see, won't we? And I will happily admit that I was wrong, if I am. In fact, I hope I am.

 

Again it’s not the total amount of people it’s how many can be treated at the same time.

If there are 1000 people who will die without treatment and we can treat 100 people per day.

First scenario, 200 people are infected and need treating per day this lasts for 5 days before everyone has been infected. Per day, 100 people can be treat and live, 100 people cannot be treated and die. In total 500 people live and 500 people die.

Second scenario, 100 are infected and need treating per day this last for 10 days before everyone has been infected. Per day 100 people are treated and live and no one dies In total 1000 people live.

Which scenario is better.

 

I'm pretty sure that right there is bullshit.

We, collectively, are willing to let all sorts of people die all the time, and if you're any sort of a normal person, you probably engage in hundreds of activities each week that are enabled by people risking their lives, and occasionally dying, to do dangerous jobs necessary to the continuing functioning of our economy. For a specific example: you typed out the above post (and read this reply) on a phone or a computer. That phone or computer was powered by electricity. That electricity was brought to the phone or computer through a series of power lines and other equipment that we know collectively as the power grid. That power grid is built and maintained by men and women who "risk their lives" to do so. Here's an excerpt from an old OSHA report:

If what you said ("I am not willing to let one person die to help the economy.") were actually true, you'd be out there protesting your local utility company, appealing to your elected officials to ban the use of electricity and electronic devices, and certainly never participating in the activity that kills people every single year. But instead you're here, merrily typing away on your digital device, probably totally oblivious to the fact that good men die every year to bring that electricity to power your device. And you'll keep consuming the product and driving the demand that leads to those deaths. You are willing to let them keep on dying, each and every year, so that you don't have to forego a little modern convenience. So why don't you climb down off your high-horse now.

 

Doesn't matter. We aren't in that scenario. Our healthcare system isn't "maxed out". It handled swine flu just fine and would've handled COVID just fine.

The COVID flu is no worse than the swine flu, or the common flu.