Why are Republicans so opposed to vote by mail?

Louisiana:

Freshman U.S. Rep. Richard Tonry was forced to resign his newly won congressional seat in the face of accusations he allowed subordinates to stuff the ballot boxes in St. Bernard Parish to secure his narrow 1976 election. A federal grand jury eventually indicted 25 poll commissioners among allegations that some precincts recorded more votes than the number of people actually on the rolls.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nola.com/news/article_2e6abf40-41e8-5881-b265-efb76201978f.amp.html

 

he says such things are not real

 

none of these incidents involve fraud committed by absentee or mail ballot

 

Problems arise periodically in any system. It's not a conspiracy. It's human error. Otherwise, no Democrats would ever be elected. The Democrats would not control the House of Representatives.

Having everyone mail in a paper ballot that has to be hand counted, after having some poor official have to tear open the envelope instead if stan next to an electronic voting machine, is not a solution. It's going backward.

Get an ID (hopefully a valid one), and go in person to vote.

 

You really shouldn't require citation to the obvious, but if you really insist:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...consin-election-absentee-coronavirus.amp.html

 

nope, I will vote by mail, than you very much.

 

False. I said the contrary and condemned it. Please delete that defamatory post.

 

Hey, you don't want your vote to count, that's fine by me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...consin-election-absentee-coronavirus.amp.html

 

u suggested it only takes place in foreign third-world states

 

And it does. I also admitted above that it's wrong when it happens here.

Here's more information regarding your vaunted mail in ballot scheme, this time out of Michigan. I an surprised you aren't more familiar with this issue.

https://www.michiganradio.org/post/...tions-about-missing-absentee-ballots-michigan

 

voting by mail isn't a "scheme".

its democracy

 

And that's good, because it has a paper trail. The modern e-voting that Republicans push has no paper trail, and so it's insecure and vulnerable to hacking and fraud.

But then, that's probably why so many Republicans support the insecure e-voting. As Stalin didn't actually say, "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes." Republicans know their cronies will be creatively tabulating the e-voting numbers.

 

This is mostly for RONSTAR, but ...

There is bipartisan consensus that mail-in ballots are the form of voting most vulnerable to fraud. A 2005 commission led by President Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III — George W. Bush’s secretary of state — concluded that these ballots “remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” Ballot harvesting scandals, in which political operatives tamper with absentee ballots that voters have entrusted to them, have marred recent elections in North Carolina and Texas.

Mail-in technology is also far more complex than a poll worker stuffing ballots into envelopes and opening them on return. In some cities with diverse populations, hundreds of types of ballots in multiple languages must be designed and directed to the appropriate voters in the correct precincts. Envelopes must be thick enough to protect voter privacy, and the paper thickness must be appropriate for scanners used to count ballots. When ballots are received, machines often open the envelopes and sort and tabulate the votes. These machines are expensive, and they generally take several months to order.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/more-than-16-million-mail-in-ballots-went-missing-from-2016-and-2018-elections-report?_amp=true

(I'm not sure that's the right link but it's from that source).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...ortedly-gone-missing-in-last-decade?_amp=true

 

There's theory, and there's reality.

In 2020, the 5 states that used universal mail-in ballots had no significant problems. Most notably, there was insignificant fraud, as in about 1 fraudulent ballot per 10 million ballots cast.

There's a problem when states suddenly have to tool up, but once the system is in place, it works great. And it's much cheaper in the long run.

 

I don't know at what point a problem becomes "significant,"but I thought every vote counts. I would mail in a ballot, but only if it were necessary because of health or travel considerations. You guys almost sound like you're insisting on it ... for everybody. My polling place is actually closer to my house than the post office!

 

The bipartisan commission I cited above cited real problems, not theoretical. I don't know how you could devise a mail in only system that were not fraught with problems. You never lost something in the mail? Never had some one mail you something that didn't arrive? Send a letter that comes back "undeliverable,"or " address unknown." Again, I don't blame anybody. Postal workers are human and often overwhelmed. that's why they have been known to go postal.

Talk to a few postal workers ... they'll tell you some stories.

 

Nah, nothing to worry about

Questions of voter fraud after man finds 83 ballots shipped to a single address in his apartment complex

• Jerry Mosna found 83 mail-in ballots shipped to his apartment complex in San Pedro, California this weekend
• All 83 ballots were sent to the same address where a single 89-year-old woman lives

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...shipped-single-address-apartment-complex.html

 

Get better election officials.

 

There is noting I need refute. The record of Oregon's mail-in voting is available and that is what we're talking about. Your refusal to investigate Oregon's experience and the security of the system is not my problem. It produces a paper trail that can be and is checked and confirmed. Your confusion about what an audit trail is shows your ignorance of the system you're trying to oppose. Republicans are know to be the ones who work very hard to steal elections and commit hidden election fraud, starting with gerrymandering and all the way to rigging electronic voting machines. I WILL NOT "convince" you of it. You know as well as everyone else that without republican tricks our elections would be much cleaner, AND Democrats would win far more often.

This is the end of my replies to your nonsense until you give republican election fraud the same degree of concern you give to non-existent democratic election fraud. You one-sided arguments reveal your bias.

 

Why is it you only have right wing sources and no MSM?

 

If true I suspect this is a rarity. From my 30 plus years teaching I learned that those who accuse others of cheating are the people most likely to cheat. What they do is project their own morality on others. What would I do in that situation?I would cheat hell yes. They can't understand people who wouldn't cheat because it comes so easily to them..

 

There are probably as many different vote-by-mail systems as there are vote-by-mail states. No doubt different states have different experiences. Some are probably reprehensible and other near perfect. The point is that problems with the system are fixable. Vote-by-mail provides safety from COVID issues, security because of voter-tracking of their own ballot and security due to a paper trail, it is cost-effective saving significantly on costs, there is nothing to hack electronically, and voter participation is increased due to convenience. (That is the one thing that drives republicans to go nutz.) Trump told the truth for once. He said if we transition to vote-by-mail, Republican would rarely win. And it's true that if all tricks, corruption, fraud, and other undue influences were eliminated, the vote would elect Democrats more often.

So, study the different systems of different states and adopt the best. Then make it better.

 

Ever since I moved into my district 9 years ago, I and all of my family and friends who live here have voted by mail in every election. It doesn’t seem to be any problem. I believe the whole state of Oregon votes by mail too. Every eligible voter should be allowed to vote without being forced to wait in hours long lines on a working or school day. I get my ballot about a month before elections and have time to research all of the issues and candidates. Works for me.

 

It’s elitist sport: screwing the expendables.

 

No problem.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ch...4ynecjemkwwfyjqcyqq-story.html?outputType=amp


It's funny to see people citing their own apparently incident free experience as evidence of flawlessness. I say apparently because you have no way of knowing whether your vote is actually tabulated when you just drop it in the mail, unless you send it by certified mail, which only means it got there. Anyone get a return receipt when they mail in their ballot?

In close elections, I can't imagine trusting my ballot to the postal service.