Why are Republicans so opposed to vote by mail?

What does that mean? You have the same access to the polls that I do, if you are registered and of voting age.

 

Here In Maine we don't have a problem with cheating. Sure, some try, but they get caught.

For Republicans cheating is what they do, and what they are. If you study it, it's hideous.

The Re-Authorization of the VRA required documentation to prove there was still a need. It had several hundred pages of documented attempts at voter suppression, AKA cheating.

The day after the Supreme Court lied and said we didn't need pre-authorization in the VRA, the largest voter suppression bill in American history passed, I think it was in Va. Even a cursory look at the case files would have told them something like that was inevitable.

Look at the recent Georgia governors race. That was a stolen election.

 

Republicans loved voting by mail until the day seniors had had enough of Trump.

 

Ya know, you could actually look into it before making yourself look like a troll. First, I cite Oregon as proof it CAN work. I never suggested it means ALL states that vote by mail have "flawless" systems. And secondly, your assertion of having "no way of knowing" is patently bullshit based on propaganda that avoids facts. In Oregon you can track your ballot from the date it was received, to whether it was tabulated. And if it isn't received, you can request another ballot and get one after jumping through some security hoops.

 

And you might read my posts more carefully before you make yourself look like a troll, in which I acknowledge that it CAN work. But what a test.

 

Lied? You mean voted in a way that you disagree with? Did you read the majority opinion, or let Huffpost and Mother Jones "distill" it for you?

 

Any attempt by Republicans to ensure the integrity of elections by eliminating voter fraud is called "voter suppression" by the Democrats. Having your vote count is a right. Double voting, voting by dead people and illegal immigrants nullifies our rightful honest vote. So yes, we need to suppress illegal votes. Under mail-in voting you have no way of verifying that your vote was counted. There is no double-check like in-person voting. You only have trust in liberals who are open with their efforts to steal the election that your vote got counted.

You can steal almost any local or state/congressional with enough provisional ballots. Blue states representatives have been in frenzy to get "Same Day Registration" with no ID so they all they need is enough foot soldiers. With all-mail there is no way anybody is going to check all those signatures vs. the rolls. And in the cities with one-party rule they wouldn't even try.

Same day, in person, ID in hand, PAPER BALLOT. The only place a Dem would win is in districts with a city over 100,000 pop.

 

Do you have a problem with untabulated votes? Do you have a problem with spouses looking over their mate's shoulders and verifying that they write in the "correct" candidate? How can you know one way or the other? In 100% of the cases?

Best way to avoid both issues is with an electronic voting machine and no one goes into the booth except the voter. We actually used to have curtains that assured privacy. Good system.

 

No you didn't. If you disagree, quote your relevant words.

 

Have you used an electronic voting machine that produced a paper trail? Without an audit trail your vote is not assured.

 

Says it all,

 

Fair enough, but IMO, it's a sight better than what you are proposing, which is primitive by comparison. I at least get a notice in real time that the machine has recorded the vote. And I want your vote counted the same way. It would take a vast conspiracy to program the computers to change an intended vote for Biden into a vote for Trump. Plus there are a lot fewer steps between marking the vote to the tabulation of the vote. You'd rather have your vote properly bundled with other votes, trucked miles across town by either a postal employee or a private contractor, unloaded into a bin, removed from the envelope, and then counted. I wouldn't.

(Be sure not to mark the ballot with a pencil, an erratic pen, or the wrong color ink. Mark carefully. Don't smear.)

I don't understand your confidence.

 

This is close enough, if you're fair:

I don't understand why in person voting wouldn't be the preferred option. Unless you don't really care that much about your vote.

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Having everyone mail in a paper ballot that has to be hand counted, after having some poor official have to tear open the envelope instead of stand next to an electronic voting machine, is not a solution.

I in both cases acknowledge that a mailed-in paper ballot can and does work. Given all the other reasons that we gave you, it is not the best system we can devise. It's primitive by comparison. I thought Democrats were in favor of progress, LOL.

 

I already told you in post 354 that we can check on our ballot and I posted the link.

It has already happened with Kerry and with Bush to name two.

And you have no paper trail.

Anyone who wants a hackable, unsecured ballot wouldn't like our system.

Scare tactics. There is no problem other than your imagination.

I don't understand your rejection of 30 years of experience with an effective mail-in system that the voter can monitor.

Never mind. I actually do understand.

 

We have curtains.

I get the distinct feeling you have a solution looking for a problem.

Judge Posner is one of the smartest judges on the bench, a Republican, and old school conservative. Way back when, I used to read the Posner-Becker blog. Sadly, Becker died.

“There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage voter-impersonation fraud,” he writes, “and that is to discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party responsible for imposing the burdens.”

As I already said, Republicans loved mail in voting until seniors had had enough of Trump.

https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-why-voter-id-laws-are-evil-20141013-column.html

 

I can't speak to dark motives that proponents of in person voting may harbor. I personally don't see voting in person as burdensome. Having to present multiple ID's, or travelling over 25 miles, is burdensome. I concede that point, where it happens, and perhaps we should institute mail ins for those voters, as an option. There are isolated instances of long waits in some areas, and the explanations vary. (Maybe my election officials are just better than yours. Pretty much all our public services are A+).

I will not assume that every person who wants to or will vote by mail is some frustrated democrat longing to break his chains and rise against the ruling class. That point is juvenile as every other aspect of Marxism, which has creeped into this thread a time or two.

Some of you want to cite your area as an example where mailed-in ballots work fine. I'm glad to hear it. Electronic voting works fine in my area. You do it your way, and we ours.

That said, I will not take seriously any claim that hand written paper ballots, mailed in from your house, are not more susceptible to loss, or error, than an electronic vote cast under supervision of an official and after presentation of an ID. Nor will I take seriously any claim that counting mountains of paper ballots isn't, comparatively, a giant pain in the ass for the election officials who have to do the tabulations.

 

There are lots of posters on this forum. You think I should track every post by each one? In post 354 I was referring, obviously, to your post 350. And I stand by my posting in 354.

 

All too often, the republican notion of "works fine" is very different from the democrat's notion.

 

Voter fraud is a tiny problem.

All those things Republicans do to voting, that's a bunch of problems.

I started voting by mail when I had cancer several years ago. We've got a plague going, and I don't see why I, or anyone, should have to risk their life to be able to vote.

 

The fact is mail in voting has been very popular with Republicans in Florida and Arizona, and recently the Republicans won a special election in California thanks to heavy early mail-in votes.Republicans are okay with mail-in voting as long as the option isn't available to Democratic voters.

 

Then why are democrats fighting voter ID?

 

Biden has dementia so he is worse than any other candidate in decades

 

They fight voter ID laws. The democrats want to be able to do voter fraud

 

You also need ID to cash them. Pass voter ID laws

 

Here's an interesting article. Perhaps it could shed new light.

"Which Party Would Benefit Most From Voting by Mail? It's Complicated."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/party-benefit-most-voting-mail-121301144.html