Looking at the riots, looting and burnings in Minn

This was not a shooting. This was a death in custody.

 

You can spin this any way you like, but the numbers don't lie.

When was the last time there was a riot / looting for a Hispanic or Asian or White person killed by police? So this whole BLM movement, ANTIFA, and all this looting and rioting and billions of dollars of damage, was for about 21% of the police killings?

Now if we even take all 629 unknowns, and say what the hell, we claim them all as black..... That means then that they are about equal to white deaths, a smidge higher. So again, where is this huge disparity? See, it's not deceptive at all.

 

Crime rates are yet another misleading statistic. Poverty, which more heavily impacts minorities, is a better predictor of crime and homicide rates.

A better indicator would be shootings of unarmed suspects, and when LEOs do and don’t show discretion.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854

“At face value, the data suggest that conditional on being of a given race/ethnicity and being shot by police, one was more-likely-than-not to be armed. It is interesting to note that the armed-to-unarmed risk ratio in whites is elevated relative to that of black or hispanic individuals (especially in a handful of outlier counties, see Data folder in S1 File). This pattern is consistent with police being more discerning of armed/unarmed status before shooting a white suspect than shooting a black or hispanic suspect.”

 

Also, the three officers that had the closest contact with Freddie Gray were all black, and one of them was the only officer that was with him at the time of his death.

That put a serious damper on the narrative.

 

I’m aware. Death in custody wasn’t as readily available, that I could find, as death by shooting. I went with what I could research. Do you have a resource I can reference?

 

The disparity comes from the fact that 28% of the population makes up more than 50% of police shooting deaths, and its likely considerably higher.

What do protests and riots have to do with my point?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Freddie_Gray

All three of the officers that had contact with Freddie Gray during the period when he died, and who were charged with the most serious offenses, were all black.

Officer William G. Porter[edit]
Porter met up with the van after Goodson called dispatchers to ask for an officer to come check on Gray.[29] He was requested twice by Gray for a medic, but did not call for one.[90] He was charged with involuntary manslaughter; second degree assault; misconduct in office.[75] Porter posted a US$350,000 bail.[30] The grand jury indicted Porter on all charges and added an indictment of reckless endangerment.[12] On December 16, 2015, a mistrial was declared on all charges, after the jury was hung and could not come to a decision.[91] Porter's second trial was scheduled for June 13, 2016. Analysts stated that the Porter's retrial could have caused problems for the other trials, under the presumption that he could not be compelled to testify while there are pending charges against him.[92] After several appeals and reversals, the Maryland Court of Appeals ruled that Porter would be required to testify in the cases against the other officers.[93] Officer Porter's retrial date was originally scheduled for September 6, 2016.[94] On July 27, 2016, all charges against him were dropped.[95]

Officer Caesar R. Goodson, Jr.[edit]
Officer Goodson, the driver of the van,[29] was charged with second-degree depraved heart murder; involuntary manslaughter; second-degree assault; manslaughter by vehicle (gross negligence); manslaughter by vehicle (criminal negligence); and misconduct in office.[75] He posted a US$350,000 bail.[30] The grand jury indicted Goodson on all charges and added an indictment of reckless endangerment.[12] Officer Goodson was found not guilty on all charges by Circuit Judge Barry Williams on June 23, 2016.[19]

Sgt. Alicia D. White[edit]
White was accused of not calling for medical assistance when she encountered Gray, "despite the fact she was advised that he needed a medic".[29][90] She was charged with involuntary manslaughter; second degree assault; and misconduct.[75] She posted a US$350,000 bail.[30] The grand jury indicted White on all charges and added an indictment of reckless endangerment.[12] Sgt. White's trial date was originally set for October 13, 2016.[94] On July 27, 2016, all charges against her were dropped.[95]

 

What does the race of officers involved have to do with disproportionate instances of police brutality against minorities?

 

I was seeking a report backing up Gatewood’s assertion that Gray’s death was a result of his own actions and not those of the officers involved.

 

Cops in the moment of an incident are the ones with the power to prevent bad actors from enacting their misdeeds. What do you want a civilian to do?

 

The problem is in your question.

I could explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand the answer.

 

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=82

 

But they don't represent more than 50%. They represent roughly 21%. We don't know what the unknown 629 are, but I would suspect there are lots of Hispanic, Asian, Indian, Black, and White etc mixed in there. If this is the case, then the 28% of the population only represent 21%, hell I'll round up to 25% of police killings, which means they are under represented in terms of their population percentage. I don't know their population percentage, so I am going with what you listed here.

Edit - forgot to address the protest part. We can take that out, it's fine with me. I was just pointing out that the narrative by certain folks is that blacks are killed by police disproportionately, to the point that all these other problems like looting and rioting are happening. When in reality, the numbers just don't bear that out. It's a false narrative.

 

If you can’t explain it, that’s fine, but don’t pretend that’s a substitution for an argument.

 

Thanks. I’ll look it over.

 

White population is around 72%. White non Hispanic population is around 60%

 

Oh it is the argument.

I couldn't, for example, explain to the sheep how they can be expected to protect themselves from the wolves.

 

It could be the disproportionate instance of crime committed by minorities, particularly homicide.

 

The more than 50% number was minority deaths in police shootings and was not dependent on the 629 number. It was not solely black individuals.

 

Okay, thanks for trying. I can see you have nothing more than straw men and condescension.

 

Nope. Just facts.

Here's a hint: you can protect yourself just as well as any police officer can.

Next.

 

Poverty is a better indicator of crime and homicide statistics.

Race of officers involved is still irrelevant.

 

Are you saying I as a private citizen ought to pull a firearm on a police officer that is brutalizing an unarmed civilian? Is that your argument?

 

Poverty is not a correlation with violent crime.

Petty crime, yeah.

Murder? Not so much.

If it was, Appalachia would be as murderous as Baltimore.

 

Crime rates petty and otherwise are direct contributing factors to homicide rates.

Appalachia’s population density is far lower than high crime metropolitan areas, so it’s not a valid comparison.