Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

Incorrect, once they begin to editorialize content they lose their shield from being sured over the content they do allow.

 

Might that be because they have lower morals and in comparison to whites are raised quite improperly,

 

That's up to the family to decide, but that is a two edged sword, the the independent autopsy confirms the official ME's findings, it strengthens the officers defense and weakens the up coming civil suit that will be filed by his family.

 

Math

No but the people who use it to PROVE bogus fabricated conflations certainly do

 

People like me view the evidence and judge accordingly. You should try it.

 

Not when they show the entire set of numbers which add up to 100.

 

That's a little hard to do when promoting a narrative, not based on evidence but only on conjecture or hatred.

 

As far as the cause of death? ME says he did not die by strangulation or assphyxiation. Can you refute that with some actual facts? He was complaining of shortness of breath before he went to the ground. That's cardiac. Can you refute that with actual facts. Once again I go by the facts you do not.

The abuse and what could he considered and assault by the officer as still quite clear but this ME report outs the actual cause of death in question now. Will you admit that?

 

I would hope the FBI as well as the Family has something to say about that
The important point here is - It strengthens the TRUTH - Whatever that TRUTH may be
And in the Heated Muddy Waters of this issue any thing that can strengthen that TRUTH
.......................................................................................................................................................................... should be welcome

 

My "ME" is the Medical Examiner. I'm sure he will be called a racist now and part of the murder plot.

 

The sentencing project is a joke. It WILLFULLY acknowledges that the “discrimination” they speak of is a function of disparity between the wealthy and the poor. Their assertion is that because more white people can afford lawyers than black people, that also means it’s racist. Which is patently absurd. Black wealthy people get the EXACT same advantages white wealthy people do.

The problem is EXACTLY what I originally stated and what your link willfully admits. The difference between sentencing is three-fold.

A) Blacks are FAR more likely to commit a crime while having a previous criminal record resulting in more severe sentencing.

B) Blacks are FAR more likely to commit a crime while carrying a firearm resulting in a more severe sentence.

C) Blacks are FAR less likely to pay for a criminal lawyer and instead disproportionately rely on free public defenders.

They are not just arrested at those rates they are convicted at an even HIGHER rate than they are arrested. Which means that after the trial has taken place and the evidence has been reviewed, a jury of their peers has convicted them of the crime... not because they’re black but because they committed a crime. Unless of course you’re asserting the cops were racist, they fabricated evidence, the lawyers were racist, the judges are racist and their own peers consisting of black people are racist. And not just once, but enough times that it nearly quadrupled their representation in most violent crime by putting hundreds of thousands of innocent black people in jail who didn’t commit a crime. If you’re going to make an argument at least make one that can be taken seriously.

Furthermore the idea that blacks commit more crime because of poverty is not substantiated by the facts. Two facts which blatantly undermine that argument are as follows:

A) Many communities have experienced abject poverty and far worse detrimental oppression than blacks did such as the Native Americans. Hispanics also experience the same level of abject poverty. And yet NEITHER of those groups even REMOTELY displays the grossly disproportionate level of violent crime that blacks commit.

B) Blacks at EVERY level of income commit a disproportionate level of violent crime as compared to their peers within the same level of income. Meaning it doesn’t matter what level of income you pick; 0-20,000 or 20000-50000 or 0-100000 or 500,000-10,000,000. Within that income level the black population commits a disproportionate level of violent crime than their peers.

Lols so your argument is that it was wrong to institute government discrimination against blacks years ago. So in order to fix discrimination in the past against people of color, the answer is that it’s now time to enact government discrimination against white people who had NOTHING to do with that previous discrimination?

So tell me, is it constitutional to discriminate based upon race and ethnicity or not? Because I’m fine with it either way.

 

Yes. What happened at the police car before we see the officer with his knee to the neck.

 

Show me some where the proportion isn’t for every 100 black people you see you see a white person. Don’t worry I’ll wait.

 

Me Too!

 

The Stats I used from the Peer Reviewed Article that I posted clearly applied
.to only "Young Black Men of a certain age group ". - My adversary in debate
.... used his MATH to make it seem to apply to ALL Americans - That was a LIE

 

I did hear yesterday that Floyd and the officer worked security at the same nightclub. BUT Floyd inside and the officer outside. No evidence they knew each other but did they? Had they had some previous encounter?

 

We hear all this about justice. Justice for the victim. That's not the purpose of the criminal justice system. Nowhere does the Constitution talk about justice for a victim of a crime, it is justice for someone the government ACCUSES of a crime. They must have due process and their rights protected.

 

Due to the existing Conflict Of Interest, legitimate suspicions could be raised if
an Independent Autopsy is NOT preformed. Only an Independent Autopsy
........................................................................................................could ally any doubts that might arise

 

So your position is that when someone is handcuffed, complains of difficulty breathing and collapses to the ground, the appropriate response is to kneel on his neck?

 

He was having cardiac problems before he was on the ground. He was having shortness of breath while standing up, he was already going into a cardiac problem and they had already called the EMT's.
Was the way he was pinned to the ground abusive, I think so. Was the officer trying to cause pan and suffering while he was on the ground I think so. Were Floyd still alive should the officer have been fired and assualt charges filed, I think so. Did he CAUSE the death? That seems to be in question now.
With all the rioting and anarchy coverage I haven't seen any ME's or former prosecutors or defense attorney's discuss how this ME reports effects the charges and prosecution but you can bet any defense will key on it.

 

I'm quite sure there will be one but we don't need one to know he was complaining of shortness of breath BEFORE he was on the ground. The officers had already called for the ambulance. That's cardiac not strangulation. It explains why he was saying he could not breath, which is what it feels like when you are having a cardiac incident , but could still talk. He could move air but his heart could not properly pump his blood.

I have no reason to believe the ME is not fully aware there will he a follow up autopsy when issuing his report.

 

Is it your position that if the person is complaining of shortness of breath they are already in cardiac distress? That if there is no evidence of asphyxiation or strangulation that the cardiac event is what killed the person?

 

No, I've been quite clear. Abuse done with malice to inflict pain and suffering. Had Floyd not died I would have supported charges filed against the officer. Got that now? Are we clear?
Thisnis now about what actually caused the death. The officers had behaved by the book up to the point Floyd is on the ground and that includes when Floyd complained of shortness of breath. He was already in cardiac distress when he was standing up.

 

The topic is the police response. In those circumstances, is kneeling on the neck an appropriate response?
Because if he was already in some health crisis, I would have thought the appropriate response would be to try to help him. Not kneel on his neck.
Edit - I see from your other post that you don’t think it was an appropriate response. Good.
But the autopsy says that the police restraint contributed to his death.

 

What point?