Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

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  1. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Canada has their own Black Lives Matter protest going on this weekend over Regis Korchinski-Paquet. Police say she jumped off her balcony. Black Lives Matter version is that police threw her off the balcony because she's black. Not sure facts matter much to the BLM global political strategists.

    At least the Canadian activists appear peaceful and don't have anarchist Antifa's burning down cities. Yet.

     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Antifa anarchists. They're anti-capitalist communists, though Democrats seem to support them or at least look the other way. Antifa, on the other hand, sees Democrats in just as much of a negative capitalist light as they view Republicans.
     
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    The didn't edit, i.e., change his words, they added theirs as commentary.

    Are you saying a private individual has no right to comment on the veracity of a leader's words by whatever means he choses? Come now, he's President Trump of the United States of America, not President Maduro, president for life of Venezuela. Trump may be a wanna-be-tyrant, but the country isn't that corrupted, yet. It's still retains the living spirit of it founding, Liberty. The debate is for how much longer? Time will tell. If Trump gets away this, not much longer, maybe another 150 to 200 years. Though hopefully long enough to be reborn and rekindled in future souls of reason. (BTW: You can see proof that those souls still exist today by this afternoon's launch of Elon Musk's Crew Dragon to ISS--One man, one dream, one reality.)
     
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    mob mentality is what led to this tragic event, the cop should get time served and keep his pension.

    he should be afforded the protections of a civilised country, not mob rule
     
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  5. LoneStarGal

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    Trump is speaking now at the Kennedy Space Center, post launch. His opening remarks are about the George Floyd murder and about the peaceful protesters....and the violent rioters.

     
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    He listed the police restraint as well. You keep leaving that (conspicuously) off.
     
  7. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On target. His best so far.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Something local officials always say except that where they say they are coming from are also having riots and looting. Do people from Chicago go to Minneapolis and people from Minneapolis go to Chicago?
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    Look who started the thread. That's a defense? I report FACTS and I have clearly said even if Floyd had not died the officer would be facing charges. Where is the defense of him, I defend the law and justice. You obviously cannot debate either.
     
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    I just submitted that Officer Derek Chauvin's bail set at $500,000. I find this offensive to us all and come to think of it, Chauvin should not have any bail at all as far as we're all concerned. Why didn't his fellow officers shop him? Are they too stupid to do anything? George Floyd did not deserve to die like this. He didn't deserve to die at all. That filthy Pig Chauvin and his fellow officers that were there ought to suffer severe consequences for this and Chauvin ought to face the death penalty for such a crime like this. This was uncalled for nd many may agree with me with it. I don't blame the protesters doing what they did but it bothers me very much and it should bother the rest of you. Chauvin ought to serve 150 years to live in prison and I mean it.
     
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    His medical conditions contributed, and he was suspected of being engaged in criminal activity, but 8 minutes on the back of the neck? After being subdued, over a lousy $20? A death sentence? By a police officer? After begging to stand and crying “I can’t breathe!” That’s reckless homicide, minimum.
     
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    Yea those people in Target looked like domestic terrorist and foreigners.
     
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    Yes shortness of breath after he had been sitting and then walked over to the police car and then he collapses. That indicates a cardiac event not a respiratory event. The ME confirmed had had severe coronary problems and hypertension of the heart.

    I am going by the evidence and the ME report.

    From the report: "
    And" They are not EMT's that is why they had called the EMT's even before he collapsed to the ground.

    No need we are dealing with THIS situation.

    They are not trained EMT's. Lack of care becomes murder, I don't think so. Negligent homicide maybe. The fact is he was suffering a cardiac event due to the seriousness of his preexisting cardiac condition that led to his death due to his stuggling with the police officers and perhaps intoxicants he had taken, he did not die because of the knee to the neck and being suffocated. The charges will have to fit the facts. The jury will have to deal with the facts not what they want them to be.
     
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    Federal police have no jurisdiction as to state law.
     
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    Well how about don't commit crimes and when you do don't resist arrest especially if you have servere coronary disease and severe hypertension else you may go into coronary arrest as it appears Floyd did causing his death? And as far as bail we have that pesky thing called the Constitution.
     
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    All law enforcement levels have some sovereignty:
    Local police
    County sheriff
    State police and National Guard

    Looks like we may be about to call in the federal government "police"....the U.S. military....to reestablish control over the destruction being caused by the violent rioters, since some major cities are failing to manage the situation.

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    He couldn't breath because he was going through cardiac distress which ended in cardiac arrest. That was due to preexisting conditions and started before he was on the ground. Fighting with police and resisting arrest over a lousy $20 forgery crime?
     
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    You're fighting pretty hard to get this cop off the hook huh?
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    He said it was due to the cardiac problems and Floyd was complaining about shortness of breath and clear indication of a cardiac event BEFORE he collapsed to the ground.

    Go to :40
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/other/new-cellphone-video-shows-arrest-of-george-floyd/vi-BB14GWy0
    Again indicating a cardiac problem before he was pinned to the ground
     
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    I've clearly said even if Floyd had survived he would be still subject to a criminal charge. I just deal with the facts and evidence and the law. How about you? Are you claiming the ME report is a fake?
     
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    Keep dancing around it.
     
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    Perhaps not completely surprising:
     
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    He really is. Madness. For some, the police can do no wrong.
     
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    Not even parents are allowed reckless negligence. The man was handcuffed, subdued, and forced prone, helpless on the ground—if that means nothing to you, than I can only conclude, life, for you, has little value, though I bet you’ re a pro-lifer.
     
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    You are assuming the cardiac problem. There's a gap in what information has been released to the public. It looks like information has been edited out in places.


    There are about 5 minutes of missing information, both in the preliminary autopsy report which has been released and in any video of the incident.

    That must have been the "resisting arrest" section which no one has seen.

    Here is a gap in the medical report - There is missing information between him "intentionally falling down and refusing to stand still". You can't be fallen down and standing at the same time.

    Next, they're trying to get him into the driver's side but then they go around to the passenger's side and...then what? Next thing they mention is that the officers pulled him out of the passenger's side and onto the pavement in a prone position. It almost sounds like they pulled him across the back seat of the car straight into the street...that he was never in the car as much as pulled straight through the car.

    There's an entire 5 minutes of information, between 8:14 and 8:19, that we only have bits and pieces of what happened. A lot can happen in 5 minutes.

    The family has ordered an independent autopsy, which sounds like the right thing to do. We'll see if the two reports match.

    --
    Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.
    MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car.
    The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver’s side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.
    While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.
    The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed.
    Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe” multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in th are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions.
    BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving.
     
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