George Floyd autopsy report surprise!

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  1. (original)late

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    Its a national problem.
     
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    Is evidence, along with all the other evidence.
     
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    Well let's take Minneapolis. Are you saying the liberal Democrat mayor and black Chief of police are not responsible for their own police Department?
     
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    For the 100th time, let charges be brought against any and all who had any part in this lethal incident! Let there be a fair trial on all charges brought! And if anyone is found guilty of anything, let the punishment fit the crime on a ZERO-TOLERANCE basis!

    That SHOULD be true for the looters, anarchists, thugs, and looters, too, but it will only happen to the four policemen. Wait and see.... You don't have to be a 'Nostradamus' to figure this out....

    [​IMG]. "Dude... no need to fire up the 'crystal ball' or the 'magic mirror' for this one...."
     
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    Is the appearance of it good? No.

    Is there a higher incidence of black people being killed by police, or of anyone being killed by police? No.

    Did the guy commit a crime requiring police intervention? Yes.

    Did the guy have a bunch of underlying issues that caused his death? Yes.

    Did the initial comments from the autopsy reveal damage to either his airway or find strangulation stopped blood flow to his brain? No.

    Will the emotional torch bearing mob care about any of the facts? Nope.

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    You could try googling black Minneapolis police officer shoots white woman.
     
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    Black people are as subject to perception management as white people. Who isn't subject to perception management?
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Gunned her down for reporting a crime with no liberal outrage and no riots. It did cost the city 20 Million.
     
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    Dunno what the Law is in the USA but down here, you take your victim as he comes, glass jaw and all.
     
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    The officer is to blame here there was no reason to restrain him. If he wasn't restrained he probably wouldn't have died.
    You don't restrain somebody by kneeling on their neck.

    He was already in custody and therefore his life was in the officers hands the officer knew that.
     
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    Again, a national problem.

    But your addiction to excuses is duly noted.
     
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    I'm unsurprised that he wasn't asphyxiated, the shin bone that Officer Dickforbrains had on his neck was against his carotid artery, not his windpipe. That gives you the sensation of not being able to breathe, but actually you can, which is why he was able to say "I can't breathe officer" if he truly couldn't breath, he wouldn't have been able to say that. He was get blood choked, not air choked. Find a jujitsu class, blood chokes are safely and routinely used and no, not like Officer Dickhead did it, and not for eight minutes, not even for 8 seconds. The person is immediately incapacitated as soon as you sink the choke. If you hold if for just a brief instant after they tap, which is immediate once you sink it, you can easily throw a cuffed guy in the back of a squad car, if need be, they will be briefly, very disoriented.

    One what fkn planet, with 4 guys, do you have one guy kneel on the neck of a prone cuffed arrestee, in the midst of a cardiac event? These guys do not have the brains, skill or integrity necessary to wear a gun, badge and uniform that says they represent us, the civil society. This city has a fundamental breakdown in officer recruitment, training and supervision. These dumb fkrs should have been working as greeters at Walmart, not wearing the badge and uniform that says they are folks of unusual courage judgment and character.
     
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    Your continued deflections are continuously noted. Given the lack of interest in a real dialog, I wonder if you are one of those people that get paid 50 cents a post.
     
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    Deal with reality not made up scenarios to fit a narrative. He was in cardiac distress BEFORE he went to the ground while everything that had happened was legal and lawful by the police. They are not responsible for that that was due to his preexisting conditions and the previous struggle he caused with the police. Manslaughter, maybe, you have to PROVE their actions CAUSED his cardiac arrest. That's going to be hard to do. Murder a stretch that flies in the face of the evidence we now have. Negligent homicide more likely. They may be going for a plea bargain to that. If the ME had reported he died from strangulation and pressure to his neck making him unable to breath then your looking murder in the 3rd, maybe 2nd. But that's not what he is reporting.
     
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    He "couldn't breath" before he went down but he was breathing. It was his heart that was not pumping blood through his lungs to exchange the CO2 building up in his blood for O2 and it would feel exactly like you could not breath. Go read the symptoms of cardiac arrest. He was complaining of not "being able to breath" as they walked him. The one video shows him collapsing by the side of car, before the officer was on top of him, another sign of the cardiac event not due to a choke hold or knee to the throat. There treatment of him was clearly abuse especially the one with his knee to the throat was even acting to cause pain and suffering and even if Floyd had lived should have been charged with a crime. But did that CAUSE his death. I think he was going to be dead no matter what they did once he was on the ground cardiac events. And remember you have to prove they CAUSED his death BEYOND a REASONABLE DOUBT. There's going to be all kinds of doubt brought into the courtroom on this. We don't put people in jail for killing someone unless beyond a reasonable doubt they caused that death.
     
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    Uhhh... No....

    It's probable his underlying issues CONTRIBUTED to his death....

    They didn't CAUSE his death because he was fine before knee met neck..
     
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    I am going to digress a little bit -- but only to make a point. Many years ago I took a one week mandated EEO course for Federal Supervisors. I thought this course would be a total waste of time. But it wasn't. One thing that stuck with me was the importance of not being PERCEIVED as having racial prejudice. In other words if a supervisor did not commit specifics acts of racial prejudice, but was perceived otherwise there was a problem. Now what does that have to do with the cop in question? Well look at the expression of his face as he knelt on the black mans neck?
     
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    Watch the videos before the last one. He was complaining about shortness of breath, cardiac distress. As they walked him to the police car he collapsed, cardiac distress if not arrest at that point. That is why he could still talk which he could not have if he were being strangled. Is the officer still in the wrong for how he placed his knee on the neck and tried to cause pain and suffering YES and even if Floyd hadn't died I would hope he would have been charged with a crime for that. But to convict these officers on a murder charge you are going to have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it was THEIR actions that caused his death. He may have been a dead man before he hit the ground with his health conditions, it just took a few minutes for the last of the oxygen to be used from his blood as his heart was not pumping blood through the lungs anymore. As bad as it looks on the video you can't hold the officers responsible for his preexisting medical conditions which caused his death.
     
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    What about all the Black Cold-blooded Killers that kill White Police officers every year in the United States, Are they PIGS also.
     
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    False, he was complaining of shortness of breath starting back when they had him sitting by the wall and while standing by the car, he was already going into cardiac distress and then he just collapses another sign of the cardiac distress before he was on the ground. They caused the death it was not strangulation or asphyxiation as the ME reports. The ME reported nothing about the knee cutting off blood to the brain either, if they can show that then maybe but it is saying a cardiac event.
     
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    Since starting a race war was evidently exactly what Barack Obama tried to do for eight years, that makes the former president a White Supremacist. Sweet!
     
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    Toxicology reports can take a couple of weeks. It will be interesting to see not only for the intoxicants but certain chemicals and hormones may help indicate the cardiac distress and arrest.
     
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    As soon as he complained of not being able to breath they called the EMT's and that was before he was on the ground, who arrived within 10 minutes. But he was gone by then his heart had stopped due to cardiac arrest.
     
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    A system that allows what happened in that video to occur while it is deemed legal needs to be reformed and the rioting needs to stop. Both incidents need to be condemned for the sake of decency and unity in this country.

     
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