Reparations for Slavery.

That's one idea.

There are better ones.

But there are many who will attack and belittle ANY effort, no matter how equitable and just, to finally address this issue.

 

Concur that it HEAVILY benefitted but a handful.

But some have HEAVILY suffered, and continue to suffer, far more because of it.

 

How many drops will be enough, AD?

 

How many drops?

 

You think it's 'equitable and just' to count drops of blood?

You think it's 'equitable and just' to predicate an advantage upon those drops of blood?

Good god, man .... this is beneath you.

 

I could easily have anticipated a responding post of this nature.
I will give you a bit of my reasoning;
First, I was raise in West Belfast where there had been a history of oppression and selective recognition of rights based on privilege endowed by political Allegiance. In our case you couldn’t often tell the privileged from the undeserving by skin color, but often could by where you lived and by your accent. Among the lower, unprivileged class like I was, you could’t find work, were relegated to getto housing, confined to specific neighborhoods, and generally denied the civil rights of the privileged class, and often historically, treated as slaves by privileged landowners and employers. The derogatory names, like fennian bastard or taig as I was called from an early age was meant not only to degrade, but to justify discrimination. Incursions by the majority into minority neighborhoods for justified violence was (and still occurs) ignored by the governing authorities... in one such event, My family lost everything, without recommence in one such instance of government ignored mob violence.
I came to the US because I thought the US Constitution would provide protection against that sort of thing. But, here, I did find evidence of discrimination, and in fact, with the exposure of Relining lending practices, I was the one that brought the first hard evidence (a geographic analytical study and even a banking executive letter admitting it was considered a justified business practice) redlining was occurring and was systematic. It was evidence used in several civil class suits.
In the years before coming to the US, I was exposed to MLK’s speeches, feeling he could be talking about us. I realized, in listening to him, balance and equality isn’t achieved by revenge type thinking, a reciprocation of pain, but in changing the culture that drives discrimination. The ‘now it’s our turn thinking’ doesn’t force that cultural change, but assigns blame for wrongs based on skin color on those that didn’t participate in inflicting wrong and by doing so, alienates those that might have been sympathetic to injustice and support change, to have feelings of a reverse form of racism, casting in their minds of becoming the new victims. Thus, it serves to continue making race the central issue perpetuating the divide rather than judging ‘a man by his character’.
When I say everyone suffers, I look at the big picture. Racism and the slavery issue have resulted in an underlying culture of mistrust and fear, of division rather than cooperation and community. In that, everyone loses... evidence of that is seen in the news of the last few days.
You know, if you want to train a dog not to s*** in the house on your nice carpet, you don’t yell, scream and beat the dog with a newspaper. There are far better approaches.

 

There is no denying that. The question is how to stop it without creating even deep division.

 

A few questions,

If someone commits a crime inflicting damage on victims, should the victims or their decedents be entitled to compensation from the progeny of the criminal?
Hundred of thousands died to end slavery, a sacrifice impacting families and subsequent generations that never were born. Should the surviving progeny of those that sacrificed everything be held liable?
Many weren’t yet in America during slavery times; what is the extent of their liability.
Many, such has as myself, have actively resisted racism and discrimination of any types. What is the extent of their liability?
Again, are all people of color entitled or just descendants of slaves?

 

You'll never get answers, because they don't know themselves. They've never stopped to think about how it would actually work, so it's like a kid dreaming about becoming an astronaut. A vague pipe dream, with zero consideration of the realities.

 

Which is why I supported targeted programs at all communities that are suffering.
I just don’t support giving people money only because of their skin. Why should an impoverished white person in Appalachia be shut out of programs that might help them because their skin is the wrong color? That seems like an affront to racial equality to me. I support people being treated equally. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am far from liberal, I just abhor what the Republican party has allowed itself to become.

I try to be logical on most points, I just don’t see how this would work and bring about a desired effect. My disappointment with you happened the first time I saw you say “orange man bad” instead of posting a rebuttal — so I guess we can say we are even?

 

"Landing on Mars? IMPOSSIBLE!"

 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Ditto.

See above.

 

Exactly.

 

This isn't a philosophical exercise.

It's a practical effort to lift chains (invisible to far too many white eyes) from black bodies.

It can be done equitably, but far too many viscerally and violently oppose it.

 

"A horseless carriage??? That's madness!!!"

 

Maybe check out the thread I started about how to bring it about; I've already chided the OP about the 2 million dollar idea, as that's crazonk.

 

First he should send them a bill for all the cities they tried to burn to the ground during his eight years in office.

 

It is a both a philosophical and a Constitutional argument. You don’t balance the scales of justice by assigning accountability on the dependents of those that inflicted slavery, you simply create another basis for perpetuating racism.

 

It's practical. Not what would be happening.

 

Yes. And, they've already received quite a wad in 'reparations', and they have control over most large urban municipalities now, including their own school systems, police depts, hospital districts, etc., all still funded mostly by white tax dollars, since the 1960's and before. They're mad now since their own failures area so obvious, and they're basically rioting to get Whitey to start taking care of them again, only just giving them lots of cash, which they will blow immediately or start killing and robbing each other in even greater numbers than they do now. Only thing left to do now is deport the hood rats, or relocate them on guarded wildlife preserves somewhere away from civilized communities. This includes those retarded whites who like to imitate their feral degenerate gang culture and the academics who feed gullible college students all the racist crap as well.

 

It's the least practical thing you could possibly do. AND it's predicated on racism.

 

Deciding who is 'Aryan'? Madness.

 

Predicating boons upon skin colour? Not impossible. See: all human history up until 1960.

 

"Gay marriage would destroy marriage AND society!"

 

"Women will NEVER have the right to vote!!!"