Where is the proof?

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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because as Mark Levin recently said.Things aren't looking good.
    That Conservatives and Truth are now Outnumbered.
    That we are now in Full Stalinist Takeover mode.No Lie is
    too big.In Fact,the bigger the Lie,the better.Like Muellers
    Russian Collusion Hoax.Based on Sheer lies and Bogus
    F.I.S.A. warrants.
    We the People are being Shamed on an hourly basis now.
    Virtue signaling is now the norm.No Lie is too small or too big.
    The Country is under attack.Not by Decency,fairness or the
    American Way.But by Radicals,Leftists,Stinkin liars in the MSM.
    And Cushy Pols like Nancy Pelosi and Chuckie boy Schumer who
    don't have to face any pressure like Riots near their homes.
     
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    Interesting question. It is a dodge in my view. It is a replacement for blaming incompetence and corruption. Whenever I hear someone claiming racism regardless of race, I tend to view them as incompetent or corrupt. It isn't always the case, of course, there is racism in the society but not nearly as much as people like to think. Our society is not built around dependency. People basically need to look after their own interests. Some are successful at that and some are not. Not much happens with blame. Action is a far better approach.

    Yes it is harder for blacks to look after their interests because of environmental and historical events. It is what it is. That means blacks need to work harder. I have great respect for those that do and succeed. I know many successful blacks. None of them are dependent, incompetent or corrupt.
     
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    And of course if Chauvin didn’t have his knee pressed into the neck of a handcuffed Floyd, then Floyd would be alive today. Sure, Floyd is responsible for his part in being handcuffed due to committing a crime just as Chauvin is responsible for his actions that led to Floyd’s death.
    Not sure I agree a handcuffed person is a “lethal weapon”. If cops are afraid of a person who is handcuffed maybe they need to be in a different line of work.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course you have a good explanation for the pallets
    of bricks being made available at Riot city's.*Clubs placed
    on roadsides along with Frozen water bottles and caustic liquids
    being used.

    Before Trump took his short walk to St.John's Church there
    " were caches of glass bottles,baseball bats and metal poles
    hidden along the street ."
    Those " peaceful items " Eh.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every time I see that Governor's face I think of a Klansman.
    He has that cocky proud white cracker look on his mug.
    He needs a new moniker ... Mr. White Cracker Double Down.
    The " Mr. " part could be revised.
     
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    Yet oddly enough nobody seems to have seen any of these items, they don't show up in any video and the police and military can't seem to present any confiscated caches.

    How's that bridge you bought from Chris Christie working out for you?
     
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    BLM rioter-looter-burner-murderers in Boston defaced the Shaw 54th Regiment Memorial to black soldiers in the Civil War.

    What police have to deal with is the bottom of the barrel people, the dumbest of the dumb, the stupidest of the stupid, the least conscious of the barely conscious.

    Anybody with a brain knows the 54th has nothing but honor due them.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get it.No Bricks ... Folks.No real fires.No burned out cars
    and Bldgs. I get it.Just " Peaceful Protests ".
    Based on Systemic Racism.In cities run by Black politicians
    and Black Police Chiefs and Black city councils.
    How does that work.More Black Cops than ever in America.
    More female cops also.How's that fir Systemic Racism.
     
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    That is incorrect. In order to analyze this correctly, you need to compare crime rates to that of death rates, as this is the true indicator of how much police interaction there is with a given race. In order for your statement to have merit, then white crime (crime committed by a white) would have to be a rate about 5x higher than black crime. So the current death rate, of white deaths being 2x higher than black death rate, and yet white crime is about even with black crime (again solely on total numbers), this would actually indicate that police are more likely to use deadly force against a white person than a black person.
     
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    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...is-still-based-in-22-states-in-the-us-in-2017
     
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    You cited a specific case, the White House. I responded to that specific case that the police chief for the parks claimed the items you mentioned was why they used force. You come back with something else. It's called grasping at straws.
     
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    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/investigating-bricks-at-protests

    As of now, there's no evidence to support claims of coordinated brick placements at protests.
     
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    You can get a pretty clear picture of what institutionalized racism looks like by simply looking at police shooting deaths where the suspect was unarmed.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854

    “At face value, the data suggest that conditional on being of a given race/ethnicity and being shot by police, one was more-likely-than-not to be armed. It is interesting to note that the armed-to-unarmed risk ratio in whites is elevated relative to that of black or hispanic individuals (especially in a handful of outlier counties, see Data folder in S1 File). This pattern is consistent with police being more discerning of armed/unarmed status before shooting a white suspect than shooting a black or hispanic suspect.”

    Turns out if you get shot by the police, and you’re black or brown, it’s more likely you were unarmed than if you were white. Go figure.
     
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    When a police officer uses deadly force against a white person it is more likely they were armed than a black or brown person.
     
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    Daniel Tosh has the solution for solving racist cops in the US.



    For those with zero sense of humor...my above statement is tongue in cheek. Sad I actually have to post that.
     
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    That's not true, and likely varies year by year randomly.

    https://www.newsmax.com/bernardkerik/police-shootings-crime-statistics/2019/01/22/id/899297/

    "So, here’s the 2018 breakdown of the 995 people shot and killed by the police.

    403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown.

    Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 were unknown"
     
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    Nope

    2018 police killings: 403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown.

    Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 were unknown
     
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    I get it.Because George Floyd was not a paranormal firstclass
    example of " a specific Case ". I guess 2019 crime numbers aren't
    specific enough :
    - 89 cop deaths by killing
    - 19 Unarmed White deaths by cops
    - 9 Unarmed Black deaths by cops.

    Nor are over 26 major city Riots specific enough ... huh.
    Just the One specific case of George Floyd is ample enough.
     
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    Based on the information you’ve provided we wouldn’t know if it varies year by year or what the results of a prolonged study would be. It only cites stats from one year.

    The study I cited detailed statistics across four years.
     
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    Are you confused? He was talking about the protest Trump broke up for his photo op. There has been no evidence presented that there were caches of weapons or other tools at that location. Try again.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

    Well, I just posted the 2019 numbers as well. 20 white and 10 black unarmed deaths.

    Keep trying though....
     
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    What you're seeing is the look of a half-wit who has been on a power trip the past 2 1/2 months.

    I know a couple of his classmates from VMI and they have nothing good to say about Coonman...
     
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