Fascism is on the rise...

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He claimed "I'm actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country." And he claimed that, as president, the Constitution gives him "the right to do whatever I want."

    Others have stated it much better than I can.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/14/trump-is-failing-his-dictatorship-test/

    https://thefulcrum.us/balance-of-power/donald-trump-dictator

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/lazy-authoritarian/609937/

    Before you go there, these are all centrist sources. The Atlantic leans a little left, but have a solid reputation for factual reporting.

    And just yesterday he threatened to use our military forces against us on home soil.

    Trump has never fully understood our government or our constitution. He's a wannabe dictator, he's just not that bright.
     
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  2. Facts-602

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    I’ll read your sources, but he’s not the first president to use the military to quell riots.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Never said he was, but in previous cases, the governors asked for that assistance. Trump is threatening to override the states. I've yet to hear any governors ask Trump to do this.
     
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    How many states have called out the national guard?
     
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    Calling the thread.
     
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    You rightfully complain about the rhetoric on one side while repeating the exact same rhetoric on the other.
     
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    When has the left ever stopped with the rhetoric?
    I wish I had a dollar every time I heard or seen some dipshit leftist make a idiotic nazi, or Hitler comparison, I’d be apart of the 1%, and not have to mingle with the common rabble.
     
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    got to love the right, Trump issues a national emergency, tells the States to shut down for 30 days, then Trump tells the States how to open.... then the Right attacks the States for doing what Trump said to do
     
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    Who were the others, and not just in DC and/or having governors call out their own NG's
     
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    You mean presidents?
     
  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Yes. Hoover comes to mind but he was using DC's National Guard which is not the real military. Trump is threatening to do something unique in our history.
     
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    Not really. LBJ sent the 82nd, and 101st to the Detroit riots in 67. There’s a process that has to followed, governors have to declare insurrection before federal troops can be used. Trump threatened to send federal troops without governors declaring, and that’s where the rightful outrage is coming from, and rightfully so.
     
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    I'm certainly hoping he takes away the right to riot and firebomb the nations cities, as soon as possible. And I don't think those piles for bricks are coming from Trump, but from people who think the right to protest and the right to riot and destroy are the same thing. I'm sure you are familiar with that.

    The real villains in todays America are the rioters destroying the cities, and the idiots who promoted their corrupted mindset in the first place.
    We are learning right now that both need to be controlled- because they will not control themselves, and will not allow us to live in a respectable world of brotherhood.
     
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    Stop the nonsense. Neither side is looking to turn the US into a fascist country. Those who suggest such just looking stunningly foolish.
     
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    He gave them guidelines...it'ss been well over 30 days by the way. The States shutdown on their own...some far more drastically then what was in the guidelines...then you had many like NY ignore the guidelines which spread death
     
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    I'd be willing to bet that Trump has never read a book.
     
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    I think calling modern American conservatives Nazis is wrong because modern American conservatism is an evil all on it's own. No need to conflate it with another evil
     
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    If one describes a fascist as one who supports right wing authoritarianism.
     
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    Like George Washington when he loaded up the army and marched to put down the Whiskey Rebellion.

    But unlike Washington, Trump is not only a horrible leader and pathologically dishonest, but also a coward. A sniveling coward. If he was to attempt a real public appearance nowadays, there is the very real possibility that he would suffer the same fate as Gaddafi, and I'm sure he knows it.

    The country has been reeling and Trump has been fanning the flames with his hatred and his ignorance. Now he is running scared.
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I stand corrected. Thank'ee
     
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    Exactly the opposite is true. You can't see that through your hatred.
     
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    I'm surprised he didn't throw a Sieg Heil salute as he walked past his goons on the way to the church.
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    A commentary about his authoritarian action at Lafayette Square:



    I've been saying it for years now: Trump is leading America down a path toward fascism, because he is a tinpot dictator by nature. His idea of power is strong loyalty to himself personally over any Constitutional or legal principles, and he keeps thinking that he can order anyone to do anything, and that his power is absolute, because he is such a massive narcissist. These are traits he has in common with Hitler, Mussolini and other such real-life villains, and like them, he has been cultivating a cult of personality around himself by appealing to certain groups of people on ideological grounds, encouraging them to hate and further divide themselves from their fellow Americans in order to keep them close to and supporting himself. He is constantly encouraging an us versus them conflict within our society, with the "us" being a whole lot of badly misinformed conservatives who are increasingly living in a parallel universe of "alternative facts" thanks to Trump as well as the right-wing echo chambers of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and, perhaps worst of all, their peers, especially but not necessarily online (including here), where they can constantly share memes and other forms of hateful, divisive disinformation and propaganda that have them positively hating and despising their fellow Americans who are not in those echo chambers and information silos, and so don't share their shared ideology.

    I don't hate them for being so deluded, but I pity them and am alarmed at the growing hatred and division, and most alarming of all, apparent support for fascism as long as their guy, Dear Leader Trump, is at the head of it. They are repeating past mistakes; the mistakes of 20th-century fascists in Europe are playing out in the USA right now before our eyes.
     
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    If it is a question of ideology, rather than focusing on successful action, then maybe there is some merit to the accusation. Trump has repeatedly attacked the 1st Amendment, due process, and other Constitutional protections while supporting martial law at the drop of a hat. I'll give you that.
     

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