Does anyone here support defunding or eliminating police? If so why?

And they don't. Their are 94 million interactions between police and civilians every year. Less than 1000 end in death or injury.

 

Try being just a little less like



And more like

 

Wrong. All Federal, State and Local police agencies should answer directly to the people who pay their salaries. Any incident reported by any citizen should be investigated by a panel of citizens, not some interdepartmental agency. Any city has the right to defund any agency it does not feel is performing up to community standards and form another department that does. Most of these shootings of unarmed people are the result of minor traffic stops escalated by policemen trying to get the person out of his vehicle in order to illegally search the person and his vehicle. That causes many unnecessary altercations which lead to deadly results. That is a direct result of the training received in police academys of today.

 

So you want 700,000 law enforcement answering directly to 330,000,000 civilians. Exactly how is that supposed to work?

Interesting idea until you spend more than five seconds thinking about it. You are either going to have hire back the people you just fired or new people who will have to be to be trained. Lots of luck with that.

Personally I believe they should just rid of the unions. I don' think any government employee should belong to a union. Especially first reponders.

 

It worked in 19th century UK ghettos. The thugs are always a tiny minority. The dominate the larger community because citizens who support law and order have been disarmed. Disarming black Americans has alway been a top priority of the progressive movement, the DP and the KKK for reasons that should be obvious by now.

 

Sorry my religion is not one from column a and ignore the rest. It's either all or nothing. You help the poor to the extent you can. You don't let them run rough shod over everyone else.

 

The Black Panthers needed to be armed. That is how the 2nd amendment works.
The problem is that the DP disarmed ordinary law abiding black Americans.

Non-felons in our urban hell holes should be encouraged to carry arms whenever they go out in the streets until street crime is no longer a serious issue.

 

Exactly!

 

If a panel of citizens had access to the personnel file of Chauvin instead of an interdepartmental agency, he probably been canned years ago.

I think the whole attitude of law enforcement needs to change and that the courts should get back to supporting our individual rights regarding any encounter with law enforcement. Our legislators and courts have granted more and more power to law enforcement over the past 50-60 years which has caused many of the problems we are facing today.

 

It would leave elected Sheriffs, a few professional Deputies to investigate crimes and manage several thousand armed sworn volunteer deputies to keep the peace, or some similar approach to local community policing.

 

What problems are we facing today that we weren't 50 years ago?

If you're going to try and tell there weren't incidents of racist police brutality 50 years ago, I'm going to have to point at you and laugh.

Inner city crime and police brutality was FAR worse in the past.

I remember NYC in the 70s (I'm old), and it was an absolute jungle.

The NYC of today is a paradise compared to how it was 40 years ago.

 

It's OK to kill innocent people on the street because they're Black?

What book is that from?

I must have missed it.

 

So you're saying Mayberry style policing would work in a modern ghetto?

Sheriff Andy, and Deputy Barney Fife with one bullet in his shirt pocket Vs.The Bloods and The Latin Kings?

 

Today we are learning Minnesota police slashed all four tires on the cars of reporters and protestors who parked their cars in two locations near the protest route. One was a K-Mart parking lot the other an off highway area, people took video of the police doing it. Most of the reporters who had their tires slashed were driving rental cars,making for a very expensive news story coverage.

 

If it wasn't for the union, he would have been fired a long time ago.

I also think the attitude of blacks need to change. All too many of them encounter the police with a hostile attitude which only fosters confrontation. Black leaders all but encourage this same attitude and many whites too.

 

NYC police are trained to be seen and prevent trouble, not going around the streets shaking people down and looking for trouble. I was there in the ‘70s too and I agree that having a much larger presence has made it much better there.

 

Less like a sack of rocks and more like commercial graphics?

Interesting.

My guess is that both antifa and blm would both rather have the bag of rocks.

 

Which is proof positive that defunding and abolishing the police is an extremely bad idea.

The notion that if there were less police on the streets then the world would go back to the happy and peaceful times of yesteryear is just nonsense.

Remember the days back when a small force of cops used to police the Bronx and Brooklyn in short sleeve shirts, and armed sub-nosed .38 revolvers? Yeah, NYC wasn't a peaceful and harmonious utopia back then, it was an utter madhouse.

 

I don’t know about what the Union did to keep a guy like Chauvin on duty, but in any case, a different system needs to be created to prevent further incidents.

We need to get back to the days when police agencies need a warrant to search people, their houses or their vehicles. You know, the way the guys who wrote the Bill of Rights deemed it in order to keep authorities from trampling on the rights of citizens.

 

Generally with a few exceptions they still do, especially houses. A cop stops someone and needs to arrest them. You really want them to get a warrant before they can search them for weapons?

 

A pat down for weapons is different than a search of a vehicle or person.

 

There are no innocent people.

 

It is a search of a person. What if, they find illegal drugs on the person during that pat down for a weapon? Should they be ignored.

 

Read again: "... several thousand armed" sworn volunteer part time deputies to keep the peace.
Beyond that level of organized law enforcement every non-felon American, especially black Americans in high crime areas should be encouraged to carry arms whenever they go onto the streets. An armed free people will never surrender the public places to criminals.

Rampant crime including vandalism, looting and rioting are the ornaments of Big Bad Governments.
Virulent institutional racism is another inevitable side effect of BBG.

 

DP pols and party bosses have always been integral parts of institutional systemic racism in America. Have Klobuchar and Harris been asked to apologize and resign yet?

"In 2006, Chauvin was one of six officers involved in the shooting of a man allegedly involved in a stabbing. The incident took place on Oct. 29, when Klobuchar, while still county prosecutor, was deep into her ultimately successful Senate bid. The case wasn’t sent to a grand jury until after she was sworn in."

"The Washington Post also reported last year that Klobuchar declined to bring charges in more than two dozen cases where individuals were killed during police encounters — one of several reports from the time that shined new light on her record as a county prosecutor as she battled for the party’s presidential nomination."
THE HILL, Klobuchar on defense as Floyd death puts spotlight on record, BY JORDAIN CARNEY - 05/29/20.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...fense-as-floyd-death-puts-spotlight-on-record