What can Trump do about Autonomous Zone?

I started to look for articles about what POTUS can do about a situation like the Autonomous Zone short of military intervention and it is beginning to look like there is nothing he/she can really do about it.
It doesn’t look like POTUS can unseat a governor or a mayor. He might direct attorney general to investigate those who take part in rebellion and charge them with federal crimes, if applicable, and then send the FBI. But that’s a slow process and it is possible that these rebels didn’t violate any federal crimes.
I’m not very knowledgeable on this subject matter, so my conclusions are just that.
Can anyone clarify what a POTUS can do about an area of the country rebelling and governor refusing to cooperate.

 

I’d like to add - this whole subject made me rethink my understanding of balance of power between states and federal government.

 

Unless federal property is in danger, just let those maggots fester in their own feces.

 

He can use military force if needed. These thugs are extorting money from business owners and making all kinds of chaos. I hope when it happens there is video of it.

 

In general terms, a POTUS could engage in polite, intelligent and informed discussion with the lead protesters to try to establish why they felt it was necessary to take such extreme steps.

I'm not convinced Trump is capable of that, though to be fair, it's an open question whether the protesters would be too.

 

Does anyone know what their actual demands are? Other than for Soy Lattes that is.

 

1. The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.
2. In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.
3. We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that the new youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed.
4. We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles.
5. We demand reparations for victims of police brutality, in a form to be determined.
6. We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service.
7. We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community.
8. We demand decriminalization of the acts of protest, and amnesty for protestors generally, but specifically those involved in what has been termed “The George Floyd Rebellion” against the terrorist cell that previously occupied this area known as the Seattle Police Department. This includes the immediate release of all protestors currently being held in prison after the arrests made at 11th and Pine on Sunday night and early Saturday morning June 7th and 8th, and any other protesters arrested in the past two weeks of the uprising, the name Evan Hreha in particular comes to mind who filmed Seattle police macing a young girl and is now in jail.
9. We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.
10. We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisoner currently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictions should also be expunged.
11. We demand that prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote, and for Washington State to pass legislation specifically breaking from Federal law that prevents felons from being able to vote.
12. We demand an end to prosecutorial immunity for police officers in the time between now and the dissolution of the SPD and extant justice system.
13. We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.
14. We demand in replacement of the current criminal justice system the creation of restorative/transformative accountability programs as a replacement for imprisonment.
15. We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems.
16. We demand that the Seattle Police Department, between now and the time of its abolition in the near future, empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city.
17. We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington.
18. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record.
19. We demand that the funding previously used for Seattle Police be redirected into: A) Socialized Health and Medicine for the City of Seattle. B) Free public housing, because housing is a right, not a privilege. C) Public education, to decrease the average class size in city schools and increase teacher salary. D) Naturalization services for immigrants to the United States living here undocumented. (We demand they be called “undocumented” because no person is illegal.) E) General community development. Parks, etc.

We also have economic demands that must be addressed.

1. We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control.
2. We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.
3. We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.
4. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions.
5. We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office.

Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”

1. We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.
2. We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability.
3. We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.

Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington.

1. We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum.
2. We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media.
3. We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race.

 

I don't know. Maybe they don't know, at least not in any constructive detail, but we'll never find out unless someone bothers to ask them. It could well turn out that the whole situation can be resolved with a simple conversation and it's depressing when nobody seems to consider that as an option.

 

I think it comes down to the old argument of force against appeasement. I do not agree that appeasing and bowing down to demands of a minority is the right trend to set, it will embolden them. I think a lot of people want law and order so would rather they were forcibly removed. I personally think they are trying to goad Trump into doing something so I would sit back, ignore them and watch them fail spectacularly.

 

Well so long as they are reasonable eh! There's an awful lot of racist demands in there, almost a call for segregation.

 

I noticed that. Its also funny how the first thing they did when they took over that area was to BUILD A WALL

 

The best one for me is the - release all black criminals and have them tried by only BLACKS. That is simply absurd.

 

I'm certainly not suggesting appeasement but it's still important to understand why they're doing what they're doing, regardless of how you're ultimately going to respond to it. The most effective form of forceful removal will differ depending on exactly who they all are and what is motivating them to be their.

 

This is the power of the argument. Black lives matter, and who could possibly disagree? I support equality for all races but I do not support BLM. They have more of an agenda than simply equality, there is a lot of hatred in there. Here in the UK, they have completely lost the support of the general public with their insistence that all white people are inherently evil and their history must be destroyed. I can only see things ending terribly whether they are appeased or not, if I am being completely honest. I do think there is a group of white people who are making the protests look bad to try and ignite some kind of race war.

 

Free lollipops and unicorn rides.

 

As they have seized a part of a city and declared it their own nation and no longer a part of the United States- that is an act of war.
They have also in effect renounced their citizenship, and all the rights of citizenship.

Military intervention is totally appropriate, and the first person to arrest and jail is the spineless mayor who has endorsed giving that property (which belongs to the good citizens of Seattle) to the invaders.
Aiding and abetting insurrection and enemies of the US constitution.

Imagine that you tell your 5 year old child it's time to go to bed- and they flip you the bird, scream F-YOU, and tell you to shut up and go to bed- and so you do...
Know what has just happened? You have abdicated power over yourself and your own home to a 5 year old child, who now commands you.
Only a liberal can be that stupid.

Watch the mayor do just that here:
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Well, use of military inside the US has a lot of limitations, one of which is the cooperation of the governor.
That’s why I started this thread - what can a POTUS do in a situation like this without using military?
This Autonomous Zone exists because local government allows it to exist. What can feds do about it short of using active duty troops?

 

Have they declared secession from the city, state, or the US?
If not then none of that applies.

 

They have declared the territory an independent nation, no longer part of the United States.
They have created a border wall, posted armed guards, and signs that say: "You are now leaving the United States, entering the nation of Chaz"

Don't tell us you aren't too sure what that means.

 

Here's the problem. Black incarcerations rates 7 times white. Black unemployment double. Black median wealth a fraction of white.

Darthcervantes said: ↑

I read about the 1921 Greenwood riots today. Very sad, initiated by whites resentful of black prosperity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

...in 1921, when mobs of white residents attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district—at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

You better own up to race violence in the US, and eliminate the gap in the stats noted above, in my first paragraph.

Otherwise , the violence will never stop.

"No (economic) justice = no peace".

 

Did anyone need the governor's permission when the Union Army invaded the southern states? And no this doesn't mean I believe they were wrong to do so.

I find it interesting how in favor of states' rights people become when they support the cause.

 

Any suggestions on how to do that or any particular legislation in mind that is keeping the black people down in these democratic strongholds

 

I can't help thinking about the scene from "Liar Liar" when Jim Carey screams into the phone "stop breaking the law axxhole!"

I think that applies here as well.

 

Why is that? Solely down to the evil whites I suppose? Nothing to do with culture, lack of family support or bad influences?

 

Screw that idea. Leave them as an example of what happens when you have democrat leadership in a state and city.