18 murders in 24 hours: Inside the most violent day in 60 years in Chicago

Maybe because what they’re fighting for is a perceived problem, exacerbated by a MSM who disproportionately reports bad cops over good cops. AND, maybe if BLM acknowledged that there are intrinsic problems that can’t be blamed on white people, they might garner some empathy?

You can’t blame white people for inner city gang violence, the leading cause of violent death in the Black community, the 70% single parent problem, the basic lack of interest in STEM, and the college drop out problem.

Until ALL black leaders acknowledge that EVERYTHING isn’t racist, maybe we can have intelligent discussion. The ones that do are ostracized and belittled and marginalized, doing EXACTLY what they claim white people do to ALL blacks. As usual that’s the problem. The mirror.

 

18 murders? Wow! Must have been the evil white mens fault

 

It is not a STEREOTYPE, its FACT! Black men commit half the homicides in America and are only 12% of the population. That ain't no stereotype! They earned that reputation.

 

The “reputation” is a stereotype. Earned stereotype. But the easiest and most peaceful way to fight it is for blacks to police themselves and reduce their crime rates among themselves.
But that would mean black lives matter for real and a lot of hard work. Just easier to write it off on racism.

 

Standard conservative boiler plate. Oh, you were clear. Blame the symptoms for the disease and I asked how has that worked out? You ignore the huge wealth disparity and the history behind it but thank you for the effort. Let's think outside your box.

Poverty is the cause of the aberrant urban behavior. One example is stress. Living in poverty is stressful. It's variable but a child is more likely to be exposed to food insecurity, frequent changes in residence, be exposed to violence, physical and emotional abuse, chaotic living conditions, poor bonding with a parent and low intellectual stimulation. Chronic stress causes increased levels of cortisol which changes brain development. These children are more likely to have poor emotional control, maladaptive coping skills, little foresight, poor impulse control, hypervigilance (hair triggered), poor concentration, lack of empathy....There is more but that is enough for you to see that they will not do well in school or be stand up citizens. They also may enter school with a poor vocabulary, PTSD, undiagnosed learning disabilities and have a teacher with low expectations of them. Odds against them graduating are higher and then they go out and make more babies to become great parents.

That ain't gonna fix itself without help from the rest of society.

So a white guy with limited knowledge from a black perspective is saying the black community is wrong and they don't know what they are talking about? What an ego you must have.

Interesting, it is them not we. We deserve a country with reduced gun crime. Every other country in the developed world has done it through gun control but maybe its a portion of our citizenry that's less developed preventing it.

Do you live in a care facility with the television stuck on the weather channel? BLM is getting loads of empathy. Your attempt to blame the race for its mistreatment is......well could it be.....racist?

I can blame institutional racism for the high proportion of black poverty that leads to violence and gangs. I see your problem with having an intelligent conversation.

 

BLM is being pandered to out of FEAR. Unsubstantiated accusations can destroy lives now. It’s DISGUSTING! It’s already happening. Businesses are just playing it safe and bending over before they’re targeted. But they will be targeted. It’s only the tip of the iceberg.

The protesters are obviously committed. Some should be committed, but most have their heart in the right place. But they still haven’t got a clue about the actual statistics.

Prove there is institutional racism. Go ahead. Claiming there aren’t enough black people in STEM so therefor it’s racist is the standard pandering naive response. Same with not enough black this or black that. It’s MATH. If an industry is racist for not having enough black involvement, then every industry that doesn’t have at least 70% white people MUST also be racist since how else can you explain the disparity right? It HAS TO BE someone holding someone back right? There must be an excuse and someone to blame right?

The utter lack of strait males in fashion HAS TO BE DUE TO BIGOTRY!!! Right? It doesn’t have anything to do with little actual interest from straight males when it comes to a fashion career. It’s all the evil gay people stopping and excluding straight guys right?

Same with elementary education. There are barely any males in that segment of education. Must be bigotry?

That’s the excuse isn’t it? There are plenty of Black people that aren’t fooled by this BS. They understand the insanity and pandering but they’re OF COURSE uncle toms, right? If they haven’t been jacked by police it just has to be they’re not really Black right? Not black enough? They don’t get it, right? Because you need to be black to see the racism right?

And I NEVER blamed Black people for their mistreatment unless they act in a way to deserve being blamed for their own failings. That goes for ANYONE of any race. I blame the MSM For pushing a BS narrative that has ZERO basis in real data or statistics. It’s based on feelings and personal experience. Sorry. That doesn’t fly. You want to call call all police racist for the actions of the extreme minority. You’re going to have to put up the numbers or pipe down.

 

I don’t dismiss or minimalism it. I treat it exactly as important as statistics suggest I should. There are an abundance of issues they face harming their community that are infinitely more important due to the amount of harm they cause. I don’t care what they think of me as I’m not trying to win a popularity contest, I’m pointing out issues that if solved would actually solve the problems.

my comparison objectively does “hold water”. It’s demonstrating the reality that it’s not the guns that are increasing crime rates. Your attack on the gun has effectively been proven fallacious. The issue is people, and given the availability of violence in the world a gun is necessary in order to protect oneself as it serves as a great equalizer. You want less homixide then fix the cultural issues. Poverty isnt the issue causing it either.

 

Poverty has always been with us from time immemorial. In fact, poverty will always be with us; there is no way to eradicate it, because poverty is relative. The poor in the United States are rich compared with people in many other areas of the world. What has changed? What you describe in your second paragraph. Poverty has always been a difficulty to overcome, but those circumstances described above have multiplied due to societal and economic changes since the 1960s -- in many ways, governmental efforts to help have instead exacerbated the problems. I don't disagree with you about what's out there. It affects the poor whether black, white, or any race/color/creed. I disagree somewhat in terms of what government or society can or should do about it, but I would hope that if we sat down in a room and talked about it, there would be many points we could agree on. What I know is that what we've been doing for 50+ years hasn't worked. It's time to try some different things....if we're going to continue to prioritize family unification (personally, I think leaving kids in some of these situations is horrible, and if we REALLY cared about kids, we wouldn't leave them in many of these situations), then we need to change the education system, as far as how we service kids with these issues, what and how we teach, and how we incentivize family involvement so some of the underlying factors can be addressed and parents can be taught as well. There are so many good programs that help and work; we have to fund and expand them to reach more children.

 

Woo, don't have a stroke. "BLM is being pandered to out of FEAR." Talk about misreading the situation. It's more like most white Americans are sick of the situation and want change. The only FEAR is coming from the right. They don't like change, you know MAGA.

I'm glad you have your finger on the pulse of the black community and know there are plenty not fooled by this BS, without any evidence. You "NEVER blamed Black people for their mistreatment unless they act in a way.....", so you do.

Calling all police racist is ignorant, but "extreme minority"? I've worked with a lot of police and that's not true, but that's beside the point. They can act professional and stay within policy on the job, but I've known bullies and a holes. The black community has seen that face of policing so much it is at the breaking point now and the right dismisses their concerns. Its "media generated BS" comes from someone out of touch.

Here is a couple citations about institutional racism. The first has colorful graphics and is short, also you may find out why Jamal didn't get into Purdue's engineering program. The second goes a little deeper.

https://fpg.unc.edu/sites/fpg.unc.edu/files/resources/other-resources/What Racism Looks Like.pdf

https://www.raceforward.org/sites/default/files/pdf/303pdf.pdf

You just gave the definition of minimizing an issue that a large community deems important.

I didn't say guns increase the crime rate. I cited Ireland has a slightly higher crime rate, but a murder rate? Not so much. The reason? No guns. This thread was about all the Chicago shootings. Why? Cause they got guns and I missed the proof it was fallacious.

Poverty is the disease, punks shooting each other is just one of the many symptoms.

The guberment gets blamed by the right as having "exacerbated" the problems of the underclass. I think that is a false narrative. They haven't done enough.
That was just ONE of the symptoms of poverty that the victim can't change on his own. It takes a village, that would be the ick government. Early high quality preschool would help get these kids ready to learn and diagnosed. They might make it through high school and see more of a future than the ghetto and make better choices.

 

Im not saying anything different than sensible Black people have said. Sorry ehem, Uncle Toms. My bad.

What a convincing argument. Infographics telling a story and a website invested in race baiting and victimization. Yet still no statistics.

And yes. Racist cops are the extreme minority. I’ve also worked with loads of cops. Best friend comes from a cop family. Have volunteered for many organizations that help Black people and have interviewed them to what amounts to 100s of hours over 2 decades. I’ve heard all the excuses and have heard plenty that don’t allow those excuses to get in the way of their own prosperity.

There is no systemic racism. There IS racism. But systemic is looooong gone. This isn’t the 60s. There is a systemic support system. Countless scholarships, programs and organizations that exclusively help Black people succeed. Sadly these support systems fail at the back end once many have to compete directly. That’s why the college drop out rate is a problem. Students are being accepted who candle handle it so they drop out due to the pressure or being simply il equipped to handle the workload because they don’t have the discipline or the support system at home.

 

Yes, I mentioned the high quality preschool type of programs in one of my earlier posts. It's being done in the public schools in the large city near where I live. Much more involved and larger than the previous Head Start programs. It's a good start on trying something new, but it remains to be seen whether it will prove to have much long-term impact. I hope it does! But we need to do much more for these kids. I'm bowing out now. Can't quite seem to have a productive discussion with you. Tired of being painted with your overly broad brush. You seem to have a pre-conceived notion of anyone whose general professed political persuasion doesn't skew left enough for you, and rather than question and discuss, your tone comes across as lecturing and condescending. Not sure if that's your intent, but that's my perception and I'm done.

 

So, from the weather channel to Fox News and you saw some "sensible" black people, that's good.

I question your ability to judge who is racist. I think it may be a high bar that you don't even meet.

Average white net worth is $117,000 and for blacks $17,000. 72% of whites own their houses and 42% of blacks do. 1/3 of black kids live in poverty. I got all kinds of numbers and they ain't good. Your working theory seems to be they can't compete against whitey and by dismissing a long history of economic and social oppression that you refuse to consider. I think I mentioned willful ignorance somewhere.

Maybe you have turned a corner in seeing the other side.

My broad brush attitude was intentional. That's how conservatives treat the black community; pre-conceived notions (they don't care about black on black crime}, dismissive (bad cops are a minor problem), lecturing {they just need to stay in school}, and condescending ( I know what they need to do)............How's it feel?

 

‘We’ve never seen anything like it at all,’ said Max Kapustin, the senior research director at the University of Chicago Crime Lab.

By Tom Schuba, Sam Charles, and Matthew Hendrickson Jun 8, 2020, 6:21am CDT
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...iest-day-violence-murder-history-police-crime

Sorry Chicago. We would like to grieve with you but we seem to be pre-occupied with other silliness around the country. I'm sure BLM will eventually acknowledge your grieve and pain. I guess no cops involved to rally the troops around? Maybe this post will get a little attention. Then again it hasn't any other weekend this year.

 

Yeah. Think again. Sadly this is actually an ordinary occurrence on weekends. Nice accomplishment for 24hrs though. They’re reaching for the stars. When will BLM and Democrats notice the horror going on there? Or maybe they should cry over another drunk driver attacking police and trying to shoot them with their own weapons? Where is THEIR empathy?

 

Why do you insist on distracting from the BLM movement?

 

2 identical threads on PF.com within 7 days..

‘We see it all the time’ said any PF.com poster....

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...st-violent-day-in-60-years-in-chicago.573712/

The search feature is your friend....

 

Very good solutions to the problem!

 

So when is Trump going to unleash his secret plan he promised 4 years ago that would dramatically reduce the murder figures in Chicago within one week of instigating?. Yet another unfulfilled promise

 

maybe obama can make a speech at chicago for peace and do community organizing.

 

Yeah... racism is "silly".
Sounds like we got an other one who is part of the problem.

 

So what your saying is that Chicago shouldn't do anything until Trump sends some troops in or a plane full of money? Guess he may have tried to do something but got waylaid by a group of unamerican swamp people who thought it was more important to plant falsehoods and sham trails in the House of disrepute. So who was the loser? Chicago and all other inner cities that are under the control of incompetent mayors and states.

 

BLM is on their way to Chicago about this......... right?..............RIGHT?

 

No, what I am saying is when is Trump going to unleash his secret plan that he promised 4 years ago that would dramatically reduce the murder rate in Chicago within one week of unleashing it.

 

No kidding.

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Much good discussion to be found in the Original Thread.

 

Beating up people and getting others fired from their jobs because the say "All lives matter" is pure silliness.

Making people take a knee and ask for forgiveness for being white is pure silliness.

Burning down stores in their own neighborhood is pure silliness.

Throwing bottles, bricks, firecrackers and other objects at people doing their job is dangerous and deadly causing even more animosity is silliness.

Abolishing whole police departments is not only dangerous, but, such folly is silliness.

Tearing down all statues, like the Taliban, and erasing the past and trying to deny it happened is silliness.

That guy that died in Minnesota was killed unjustly and wasn't silly but to all the others who are killed everyday and ignored is silliness.