Republicans defending Confederate symbols?

We should get rid of all statues.

But aside from that, just living in immoral times doesn't make one automatically an immoral person. There were people against slavery in New York before 1827.

Do you understand the difference between Ben Franklin, who lived before 1827, and fought to abolish slavery, and a statue to someone who felt keeping slaves was so important that they were willing to murder their fellow americans over it?

Do you understand the difference there?

 

Whereas I think it’s silly to get rid of ANY statues.

 

You should try getting out sometime. Do you think the memorial to the 52nd Massachusetts Regiment should have been defaced by Black Lives Matters? Do you think they knew enough from their "History books" to know it was an all black regiment of freed slaves who fought for their freedom and gave their lives? Apparently their history books wasn't enough. You just don't like history in public. I think you'd like it to go away altogether.

 

I've seen on the news where they just tore down a statue of a famous abolitionist. You apparently don't know who you are defending.

 

Excellent question.

 

Republicans always say the Democrat party is the party of slavery, Jim Crow and racism. Seems like they'd be happy to get rid of those Confederate monuments that represent those ugly things.

 

No parodox. Republicans want history remembered in America. You look at the statue, remember, then decide. Don't tear it down. Those ignorant of history tear them all down. Perhaps they think they'll create some kind of new history. The lesson is," human nature never changes"" They don't want you to know that because they believe they are the "Ones' and "They" have arrived!.

 

"Republicans want history remembered". Sorry. That story doesn't hold up.
Those Confederate monuments honor men who fought to preserve slavery; they were Democrats. Republicans should want them taken down.

 

So we should get rid of statutes of anyone who lived before the Civil War and erase that history.

 

They fought to defend their homes and farms and churches and businesses and the lives of their families from a foreign invasion many giving the ultimate sacrifice in that defense.

 

Get rid of any statue of any Democrat. Won't that make Republicans happy?

 

Nah. They were Democrats. STICK TO YOUR NARRATIVE. According to you, Democrats are the party of slavery, Jim Crow and racism.

 

"Hypocrisy: pretending to a belief that one does not hold."
Republicans, It is hypocritical to say the Democrats are the party of slavery, Jim Crow and racism, and then defend Confederate monuments that stand for slavery, Jim Crow and racism.

 

But they stilled allowed it to happen.

 

Correct.

 

but only those that were on the other side of the line.

 

Me either.

 

So let me ask the people who want to keep the Confederate flags and statues up in tax payer supported properties - If you're a Christian, would you enjoy walks in a park that had a twenty foot statue of Judas erected in the center? He's part of history - but would you want a statue of him looking down on you as took a leisurely stroll?

Does that help with perspective?

 

I do not specifically defend confederate symbols but rather all pieces of history. I do not defend or even try to justify the things done by the people represented in the statues but I do not support their destruction. If we start trying to tear down all statues and representations of historic figures that enslaved people or committed atrocities where will we draw the line? Are statues of Ramses II in Egypt, the Sphinx because is has the face of the pharaoh Khafre, the mask of Tutankhamun candidates for destruction because the Ancient Egyptians enslaved many peoples including the Nubians. What about all of the classical Greek and Roman statues and bust of generals, philosophers and emperors, should they all be destroyed? We can continue on through history right to the statues of William Wallace and Robert the Bruce at the gates of Edinburgh Castle. Most historic figures of the past would not past the moral standards test of today. Our history was by no means perfect but it seems that the destruction of these symbols is an attempt to forget or not be reminded it ever happened.

 

Generally, I agree about preserving historical art work - but I'm going to argue for said art work to be removed to storage for
a few decades.

While the monuments in Egypt can be linked to atrocities, the people involved in those actions are long since gone from the world.

In the case of American monuments to the Civil War figures, there are millions of people who still live who lived through segregation, and who sat on grandpa's lap being told stories of family members who were slaves or who were treated poorly
by Jim Crow laws and racist policies institutionalized by the US government.

So I'm going to say to store those monuments until the raw wound is healed by time until they can become museum pieces.

As I've said elsewhere, Judas is part of Christian history, but I don't think Christians would appreciate a 20 foot statue of Judas being put up in the middle of the park where they take their kids to play.

 

So, you are one of those that would like to erase the memory of America's Founders as well.....for now, at least the ones that owned slaves. Erase all of that. Who would you like to commemorate? Perhaps a bust of Karl Marx? How 'bout Jane Fonda? Then....they wonder why so many of us are thru with compromise. The memorials they are attacking come from all aspects of American History now. BLM and ANTIFA are definite enemies of America. There will be a line drawn and soon I hope!

 

Daniel, I'm surprised! You are at least a little sensitive, and seem to back away from destruction. I would ask you, are you at all sensitive to the ones who defaced the Memorial to the 52nd Massachusetts Regiment? Are you familiar to the history of that? If not, look it up.

 

I think you just answered your own question.

Black Americans feel the same way about a statue honoring a Confederate soldier that you would feel about a statue honoring Jane Fonda. Interesting historically, but maybe you wouldn't want it left up in the middle of a park where you take your kids to play. Now do you understand?

 

Yes, and they were Americans, most of whom were anxious to come back into the fold after the question was settled. Those that have disdain for history do not understand that. It was a 1st and quite remarkable. They want it erased.

 

I'm absolutely against any defacing of art work. I'm not against moving it to storage for awhile.