The War on Men and Boys: your evidence is requested

You seem to be arguing about a stance I don't hold. Therein lies part of your problem. It's sad you continue being disingenuous. But I get it....that's all you got

 

Hmmm... Of course an FTM transgender who doesn't also have a hysterectomy can still produce children, and have. And we still have to refer to them as "Steve". no? I expect that MTF athletes will dominate women's sports now that the SCOTUS has ruled the way they did. should be an interesting decade or so while this all gets' sorted out.

There is a conflict here, and it stems from a world of expectations. It revolves around equality. Women, in this country expect men to protect them, and yet, at the same time chafe at the behaviors that produce good protectors. It creates dissonance which is directly tied back to a set of their expectations. And the sam expectations of men who believe women when they say they want protectors who then rear their male children to do just that are now the targets of the derision around male toxic behaviors. I suppose first, we need to ask women what they really want here. Do they really want equality but still also require men to be their protectors? That seems unlikely to be resolvable frankly. It assumes an inherently unequal condition exists though.

The conflict here is expectations, and those expectations not recognizing the limits of nature. It's really as simple as that.

 

I, personally, do not know any toxic males. I'm not even sure what it is. The only reason I know about it, is from forums like these.

I think what is happening is that the extreme partisans from one team search out the most extreme partisans on the other side, and run with it to try and define the whole team.

I no more associate toxic males with Team D then I associate Westboro Baptists with Team R.

Every group has extremes - it doesn't matter which type of group, extremists exist. The other members of such group roll their eyes, while other groups try to define the entire group based on the nuts.

 

You are quite happy to paint a huge group with extremists. Should I paint you according to what Westboro Baptists do, or would that be unfair?

Same/same.

The MtF in sports is a big issue, that I hope will be resolved soon. Not everybody can do everything. Former penis types shouldn't be allowed to compete against women.

 

Hmm.. so you also admit to teaching what many in the feminist camp consider to be the behaviors of toxicity. You sound proud too... Further, you seem perfectly willing to treat others the way the toxic maleness crowd deem as being toxic. So, is that you just retreating to back to what you know the best? I think it's illustrating that you'd consider being challenged for it as "whining"... That seems super demonstrative of your own pejorative attitude. And isn't that just the teasiets bit toxic, even through your lens?

So why are you here then? To tell us that you believe that men are toxic so you can demonstrate with your own example just how toxic men can be?

 

Just sayin, but the Westboro baptists led by Fred Phelps were democrats.... Life long even.

 

I don't think there is really a war on men. There is some super small percentage of feminists who hate men, but I think the trickle of that into mainstream is pretty irrelevant.

There IS however a war on manliness in this country. Look at what has happened to the average American man. He's fat, he's soft, he weak, he's never been in a fight except on the internet. He avoids danger at all costs and he passes those traits onto his children.

This is the cost of ripping out our manufacturing base and moving it overseas. The average grip strength of the American man has gone down 30% since 1980. https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/healt...strength-than-their-dads-study-says-1.3031543

Conservatives pretend like they are immune to this decline in manliness, but if you go to the country you see the exact same thing: fat weak men.

 

Well, for me, personally, I would be pretty offended given that the Westboro folks actively protested against my life or ever being happy. Perhaps you didn't know this, so being offended at you personally might not be appropriate. I feel you fundamentally don't understand the folks you are engaging in here, and worse, don't understand the references you allude to here. The conversation is about is there a war, and clearly, there is. That really shouldn't have ever invited a conversation about Westboro though, should it? Except you believe in a boogy man that frankly is a creation of the left, not the right.

I noticed a couple things here. You failed to address the concept of FTM having children, but you chose to take a position on MTF as if that were somehow wrong? I ask because seemingly, you're asking us to believe that you actually believe in equality and equity, but obviously, there are limits that you don't or are unwilling to entertain here.

 

You're awfully confused. I never said I teach behaviors of toxicity. Clearly you've never coached. I teach sportsmanship, integrity, discipline, how to win and lose with dignity, etc.
I have already stated my position a couple of times. That you choose to ignore and deflect is telling. My position, for the third time, is that I don't care what other people think in regards to their opinion on their perceived male toxicity and find it odd, people like you are consumed and bothered by these peoples' opinions. Someone believing in male toxicity and stating such on social media does not impact your life (or mine) one bit. But here you are all upset over it. Seems you just need something to be upset about. Maybe you need a new hobby.

 

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I've been trying to force myself to stop explaining gender differences that benefit men and leave women behind some. Even if there is an explanation for a difference, ask if there is a reasonable, fair way, in the name of equity to narrow that gap. Maybe never eliminate it as in a free society, men and women will gravitate to certain things unless stopped by force. But narrow the gap?

 

I know several trans-gender people, so I know something on the topic.

I know no FtM who want to have babies, so I have no personal experience. I will, however, ask the two FtMs I know how they feel about it. All things considered, my libertarian streak says the most freedom to the most people. I would wonder why someone who was born believing they are a man, would even want to have a baby. I am not saying it's not happening; it's just odd.

I've already addressed the sports thing - I find it silly and it should be stopped ASAP. The MtFs that I know, are quite happy to just be who they are. They are far happier than they were in their old skin.

Even if we consider it a mental condition, then the cure seems to be a lifestyle change, including surgery, and that seems to work. (At least, in my experience.) So, if the cure fixes it; I don't see an issue.

The science is coming in, though, that it's simply a disconnect between brain & genitals. They develop at different times in the womb, and while they almost always match up, there are situations where the brain's sense of gender goes a different direction than the genitals that have been formed. Similar to someone being born with 4 or 6 toes on one foot, and all sorts of other deformities that happen from time to time.

 

Oh.... the whiplash.... the backpedal. Oh... not me... I'm ....... Got it. The point of having he conversation is to demonstrate how unequal and dangerous the conversation actually is. If social engineering is not recognized for what it is, or how destructive it is, we act then like you would by ignoring it. But, what is actually happening, is policy is being developed around this conversation that empowers those organizations to unfairly characterize behavior that so few in our society is actually offended by. You wrote, we want to make our male kids into gentlemen. I don't disagree. But I see you actively ignoring those in our social conversation that would make doing that if not a crime, a reason the products of your mentorship or parenting then require reeducation for. That you aren't willing to foresee that smacks of some pretty intentional myopia. I don't get "bothered" or "emotional" or become "whiny" which all are, btw demonstrations of this toxicity that others find abusive and bullying, because of opinions. I am bothered that policy in our nation is being developed absent our consent to it. Or by being excluded from it by those, on the left, who would induce their version of tyranny on us all. It took you a long time to get here, and still you don't understand the conversation being had.

So, help the rest of us out here. Why are you here? If none of this concerns or bothers you, why be here to discuss it at all?

 

Hmm.. I'm just going to say that your cringe worthy response says a lot. If you actually believe that transgenderism is a deformity... Yikes.. And hope your transgender friends don't see this post. It also says you like to market that you're a libertarian, but only to the extent that the liberty doesn't otherwise conflict with your own personal opinion. That assessment doesn't seem harsh. it is likely underpinned by your belief that transgenderism is a deformity. Perhaps you should look at your own language here.

 

And they also represent the largest bloc of student debt for degrees like gender studies instead of a degree in a topic people would hire her for. But it's male domination when she gets that first bill for the loan, and the twentieth rejection by an employer.

As for men? Who would want to endure four to eight to even twelve years of male-hating academia, where EVERY assault claim is treated as gospel despite conflicting evidence which some schools won't even let the defendant present. Who wants to hear the male leaders who founded this country torn down by taxpayer-salaried liars focused on slavery and not everything else. These men would be entirely forgotten today had they founded a bad idea.

Some claims are too funny to ask for proof.

 

If the brain has a different sense of gender than the genitals, why wouldn't that be a deformity. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

I have a cousin with a total of eight toes. It's a deformity. He should not feel ashamed.
There are so many deformities that pop up, it's simply common sense that they would show up in all areas of the body.

Co-joined twins
Bipolar disorder
No arms
Midget
Mental retardation
Under developed organs
Blind
Deaf


The list goes on and on. These are all deformities and are nothing to be ashamed about.

I, myself, am bi-polar, a brain chemical imbalance that is certainly abnormal.

 

Backpedal? Hahaha...you seriously are very confused. I've been consistently saying I don't care what people on social media think about "toxic" behavior.
Why do you believe teaching sportsmanship, integrity, discipline, how to win and lose with dignity, etc is somehow going to be made into, as you say, a crime?
You do realize those same types of things are also taught by those who coach girls too, right? That isn't just a male thing. Odd you'd think such.
I don't even think you know what you're upset about. You're all over the place. It's as if you're having a nervous breakdown. Take a few breaths. You're going to be just fine. There you go...breath....breath....there you go.

 

No need to respond to words you put in my mouth.

 

Yup. You'd ignore it, you won't engage the question of why you're here at all. We get it.

 

Except for the fact that I already answered that question. In fact, I've explained it at least three times now. Wow...you really ARE one very confused individual.
I have never stated men are toxic. I have asked you to provide even ONE post of mine where I stated men are toxic. You have failed to do so. As such you try to deflect attention away from that. We get it

 

What makes a divorce painful for both parties comes down to money, whether it was before the conclusion of splitting ways, or more commonly in the aftermath of dealing with the courts. Many states have no-fault divorces, so if both parties want to split and can solve how to deal with their community property, there is no problem. It's when one side wants more, or there are children involved and the issue of custody is unresolved, that is when things get messy, and for those people it can be quite expensive. That is where the "class" part comes into play, because people who don't have that much in assets can't really squeeze blood out of a turnip, and the custody issue comes down to which side has the burden of proof that they would be better to raise the children. Obviously, financial stability and character comes into play, but for the most part, it is still a matter of he said/she said.

For those who are well off, divorce becomes more like the disenfranchisement of a small business.

I tuned out when you started referencing Marvel Comics; it makes no sense at all and sounds like an incel rant, which I don't care about one bit.

 

Feel free to explain this despicable quote to, "stop whining" when there is an ongoing war against one's demographic.

Again, I write, culture matters. What we're seeing is happening a lot, in major IPs and is not happening in a vacuum.
But to your point, if a man is better off financially and the woman is a broke, unemployable mess, my experience tells me the woman is still more likely to get custody. Good stat for me to try to look for to see if this is a supportable view , thanks.
Money can matter. If the one paying child support, typically the male, a rich man will not fall behind while a poor man can find himself in prison for failure to support. How he catches back up while in prison, I do not know. I've heard even prison inmates get some sort of salary but I cannot imagine it is close to enough. EDIT: For now, at least the perception that some hold mom should get custody of kid, regardless of income, is not isolated to MRAs. https://www.familylawrights.net/blog/how-does-a-stay-at-home-mother-win-custody/

 

Occasionally they slip, or maybe just luck into it.

 

Whining accomplishes nothing. Begging for someone else to improve your life is not an effective plan. Want to do better? Get out and do better. I'm not aware of any war against anyone's demographic so I will suggest that is nothing but whining.

 

Are you suggesting, for instance, that there was never any reason for Martin Luther King to organize marches? Jews in Auschwitz were doin dandy? That new laws requiring bigotry against men in forming corporate boards needs no organized response? I disagree.
https://www.sos.ca.gov/business-programs/women-boards/