Still think reopening was a good idea?

I've gone into public maskless at various times since March, and I haven't shown a single symptom over a course of 14 days. So, I figure I'm good. Yes, there's always that chance I could be asymptomatic, but over that long period of time, its become unlikely that I am or my immune system simply did a good job of protecting me. Given there's not an actual misdemeanor for the books for not wearing a mask, there's not a legal obligation to do so like how we have the legal obligation to stop at red lights. In a democracy and not a authoritarian government, people are given the choice, liberty, freedom. Science can say what science is going to say, I won't dispute that but you cannot get me to agree with forcing people against their own will to do something, as little as it may be, for a goal perceived to be the common good. At that point, people are under mind control which is scary to think about.

 

I'm sure there will be long term health issues with this virus like I'm sure there had to have been long term health impairments associated with the Spanish Flu, or any other virus that rose to pandemic status. The only good it can present is assist science in finding out how to support those dealing with life after COVID.

 

If everyone wearing masks can reduce those lifelong health impairments by even 5%, don’t you believe it is worth it?

 

Staying home and getting the emotional support one may need is far better that dying, or causing the death of another. Refusing to wear masks is something only selfish, thoughtless, and inconsiderate people do.

 

Unless you get tested daily, you do not know whether or not you are infected, and you do not know whether or not you can infect others.

Again, because so many clearly do not get it: your freedoms end where possible harm to others begins. You do not have the right to to make someone else sick, and if you refuse to wear a mask, it is quite possible that you are doing harm.

 

Opening up wasn’t the problem. People not wearing masks or social distancing is the problem. Millions of people protesting, yelling and screaming didn’t help either. But they get a pass. How convenient for the MSM.

 

we had bigger protests in NY and we’re still trending down. dining-in may be put on hold because of the results of the areas that opened so soon.

 

The hypocrisy with regards to how the rioters were treated regarding the potential for COVID spread is part of the problem, uncertainty, and push back now, from civilized people who had nothing to do with the protesting.

It's hard to tell people they must social distance and avoid large gatherings and stay out of restaurants and bars, after seeing weeks of riot footage on tv, which the mainstream media and leftwing politicians thought was just great.

It very much looked like we were having one set of strict rules for civilized people, but no rules and a free-for-all for rioters and protesters and virtue signalers and vandals.

Most news coverage is still hesitant to address the elephant in the room regarding COVID spread ---- the protesters.

In Florida, also, the spikes are younger people, and two hotspots were traced to popular college kid bars. Not adults, not conservatives, but twentysomethings (who are only technically adults, LOL.) Were they also the virtue signaling losers at the "protests"? Who knows.

 

Hopefully sharper knives than this “science is real” piece of cutlery.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...iment-shows-N95-did-NOT-drive-CO2-levels.html

 

What mandates a 2nd wave in the 4th qtr?

 

Just think how many lives would have been saved if you all had stayed home for a few weeks when this started. Were all these deaths worth your need for first world cuisine and other creature comforts over those weeks?

 

Again, what the numbers are saying is that if you catch COVID, the probability is there that you will recover, not die from the virus. Setting the emotional hyperbole aside, the best truce our country could come to right now is those who are fearful for their health stay home, and those who want to go out to eat, go out to eat. People have made up their minds at this point whether or not to have a fabric over their face, claiming one is selfish or inconsiderate is going down the rabbit hole of emotional hyperbole.

 

Might be worth it, but it wouldn't get me on the mask train.

 

Colder weather, as we get into an actual flu season. Then COVID and influenza will be intertwined with each other.

 

Rational egoism

 

I have stayed home — virtually zero contact outside of my immediate family. We have been cooking at home, growing veggies and herbs.
Hasn’t seemed to bother us like the people marching on their state Capitol so they can have their hair cut.

 

Then why wouldn't it work out for you to stay home, and allow others to go out and enjoy life?

 

Just like in the city of Seattle in the protest zone?

 

You might survive, but no way can you be certain that someone you pass it onto will.

Very predictable of you to accuse me of being emotional. It's what those with weak arguments do all the time, push back with an unpleasant insult when the facts aren't on your side.

I stand by all of my statements here. Your right to go unmasked does not trump my right to continue living. Period.

 

No grocery shopping? You didn’t expect others to keep the lights on or your internet connection going? I don’t recall seeing you advocating here for zero contact and zero expectation for others to provide for you at their personal risk. Seems like if people really cared about saving lives there would be support for actions more effective than mask use, etc.

 

Because I would eventually like things to reopen and not have this cycle of shutdown—reopen—shutdown because fools think wearing a piece of fabric is crossing a line. I have no issues with people that want to go out to do so, but when they refuse basic medical recommendations because it isn’t “stylish”... irregardless if it makes others sick... Lets just say we have some pathetic excuses for Americans at times.

 

Grocery shopping is curbside or at home delivery.

You haven’t seen me advocate for zero contact because I haven’t, I just think we should take the bare minimum of precaution. There is a reason that other countries are seeing the end of this and we are hitting peak numbers. Maybe it is because we are testing too much, is trump doing something about that?

 

Ar least in FL its highest in the liberal areas, I feel pretty safe in my part of FL, but no way am I going anywhere dade/broward/palm, no chance.

 

So yes, you chose to let others take the risks for you. Costing lives. So there’s no confusion, I’m not being critical of your chosen actions, just critical of making judgements about other people costing lives when you admit to adding to the toll yourself.

Isn't the concept of “bare minimum” a bit subjective?

As far as testing, some states seem to have a better handle on it than others. Trump is irrelevant (or should be if states are doing their job) at this point. I know my state will do what is best for its residents regardless of what Trump does or says. And we aren’t bankrupt and a slave to the Federal Government like some states so there isn’t much anyone can do to stop testing here. We are ramping up testing and making it more efficient for contact tracing.

Just an added tidbit to munch on for everyone, isn’t it possible some increases in positive rates are due to better allocation of testing resources? I guess time will tell.

 

the Trump admin attacked wearing masks when it was dem states with rising numbers, now that it's republicans States, even Pence is asking people to wear masks - almost like they knew it would help all along

the question is... will Trump supporters now listen to this Administration with all their conflicting information? will Trump keep a consistent message?