Reddit just banned r/The_Donald, the largest pro-Trump subreddit, as it cracks down on hate speech

No just a lazy narcissistic incompetent

 

If so man

If so many were not Trolls they might have remained

thing is Trump himself is a troll so he does attract people who admire trolling

 

The 1st Amendment makes no such delineation, and any attempt to make such a biased and subjective delineation would be a violation of the 1st Amendment.

The 1st Amendment was created to protect us from people like you.

 

That's a qualification for the presidency.

 

The 1st Amendment protects us from congress or government censorship of free speech. It was not created to force people or companies to publish speech they do not condone. The latter, however, is exactly what all this RW whining about free speech is about. They want to force social media to give "equal" exposure to RW propaganda, no matter how untruthful or hateful it is.

 

I have no objection about being our best, i do have an objection of being the one in a group who incessantly shouts 'i'm the best'.

Put yourself in the shoes of others, or imagine yourself in a group observing that person shouting 'I'm the best' and consider your opinion of that person.

So, I don't say 'let's not do our best', no I'm all for, 'let's do our best', but let's be more humble and let deeds to the talking and not loud mouths do the talking.

 

It depends, if the person shouting "I'm the best", has proven the actions(as you said), then yes they can brag as much as they want. They only look like a jerkwad if they shout this, but don't have the resume to show it or back it up.

 

Problem: This forum for example is not 'publishing' our posts.(There actually was a forum I participated in once, that had a disclaimer at the bottom that said the postings were not of 'x site here'.). WE are publishing. PF owns the site name, and the donations that go to running the forum, but our opinions are our own. That's what makes PF so great.

It's a "host" of the opinions, but that doesn't mean it owns the opinions(or at least, this was the modern view of the world before the last, say 4-5 years or so where the extremist control of opinions took place.). Basically, at a deeper level this comes down to America's giving up on self-reliance and self-responsibility.

If I were to post some "Aryan power" screed(which I wouldn't, obviously my long post history shows that), in my political worldview only I and I alone should be held accountable. Not other posters on PF and not the owners of the PF site. In today's America, some believe the opposite.

 

The 1st Amendment protects the unabridged free speech of all US citizens, including the ones you disagree with.

If companies can be reigned in for monopolizing our private industries, surely LW media monopolies can be reigned in for usurping our "constitutionally granted" free speech rights.

 

That is true. However, this (the PF) site has rules and if you violate these rules your posts are either removed, or you are banned. That's a good thing, because otherwise both sides would just haul expletives at each other. If you dare, go to the "voat" place, where apparently the Trump redditors went. It is eye opening. It is thanks to our moderators and their hard work (shout out to them!!!!) that this place remains civil. If it weren't for their "censorship" the place would eventually be gone, or not worthwhile because it would become too hateful and vile.

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Note the absence of language that would force private companies to publish material that they disagree with? I have a right to free speech. I don't have a right to force anyone to publish what I have to say. I don't get it why it is so hard for people to understand this difference.

If your side had your way, I should be able to go to Breitbart and tell them: You MUST publish my liberal manuscript, whether you like it or not. Would you be okay with that?

 

You are essentially doing just that by advocating that only LW propaganda be tolerated on open social media sites, and any opinion contrary to said propaganda should be disallowed (censored).

What you falsely claim of others, you yourself do.

 

The t_d subbreddit has basically been moving towards a shut down for about a year. After the quarantine in May 2019 an alternative website was established (https://thedonald.win), and after reddit admins removed all t_d mods in Jan 2020 the site went into a phased lockdown where it blocked new users and submissions opting to direct them to their new website instead. The new site is thriving and unique user participation is actually higher than it had been on reddit.

 

I don't claim anything of what you accuse me of. What I am saying is that it is at the discretion of the social media site what kind of content they allow. It is neither up to you or me to force them to publish certain content, be it from LW or RW posters. If RW posters don't want to be banned, all they have to do is absolve from hate speech. I am sure if that Trump subreddit was as civil as this PF forum, it would not have been taken down.

 

Just checked out the thedonald.win forum. Oh boy, what a bunch of lemming RWers, patting themselves on the shoulders to be the biggest Trump fans. Reinforcement of disinformation at its best.

 

Yes they finally banned subs like CTH and CTH2. Btw did you ever take a look at those subs? They rivaled Stormfront and I'm not exaggerating in the slightest. These were subs where people openly discussed things like the 'benefits' of a white genocide, exterminating 'rich people', and burning down houses of worship. The fact it took so long for them to be removed when the process to purge right-wing content has been raging for 4 years now exposes the 'hate speech' motive and its hypocrisy entirely. Which btw hate speech still rages in the sites most popular political sub, r/politics, where hateful remarks against whites, southerners, republicans, Christians, and so on accumulate by the thousands every day.

And yes there are a number of free speech platforms that have spawned as a result of progressive bias. They abide by the rules of publishes vs platform, rules which sites like reddit/twitter/facebook/etc violate. Do you know what happens to them? The left brigades their platforms, harasses them, launches false flag attacks that they don't even try to hide, and then the progressive elites get involved to shut down their payment processing, domain registrars, and web hosts - similar tactics that leftists use to go after businesses that sell firearms. So you see they aren't really all that 'free' from censorship. Progressives do not like people disagreeing with them and they will chase them to no end to shut down opposition.

 

Isn't it just a shame that people are allowed to have different opinions? /eyeroll Now go check r/politics if you want to see 'lemmings patting themselves on the back; reinforcement of disinformation' etc, but from the opposite side of the political spectrum.

 

I have no doubt that it exists on both sides, look at dailykos for example.

 

Who made you and your other LW radicals the arbiters of "hate speech"? We've seen your kind in action for months now, and they exude nothing but hatefulness, violence, and disorder.

In fact, it's your own censorship mentality that makes you on the left the "haters", not those who you hate and censor.

 

I wish we had some sort of AI program that could crawl every news outlet detecting every story and cataloging each outlet's reporting of it to then give us a summary of who ignored what, or who left what out, or who flat out lied about what. We could hardly trust humans to do the job but maybe at some point in the future some self-aware AI could, I dunno pipe dreams. /shrug

 

Hey, cite one of my posts that identifies me as a "hater". If you can't, then take it back.

BTW: How hard is it for you to understand that I am not the one who wants to decide what is hate speech or not. it is up to the people who run the social media platforms, which is making their lives very difficult. No matter what, YOU can't force anyone to publish your views, no matter how much you would wish to do so. You have yet to address this point.

 

Algorithms are programmed by humans too. There is no silver bullet, other than human common sense.

 

They can't interfere in private business to make money.
Unless the business is to do harm.

They can only enforce speech rights upon themselves or speech that is dangerous like yelling fire in a crowed theater.

Advertisers, those that pay reddits bills, enforce what they want to see posted. Else they walk away with their money. And reddit goes out of business. That is how capitalism works. Are you not on the RW side of the spectrum? Are you not for capitalism?

 

reddit is a pvt business. Not a political party. They can't lose or win an election. They are not even able to run. They are a company.

 

The whole irony with their argument is if anyone disagrees with Trump, they are then a pariah, yet they make the claim of freedom.