Assessing Covid-19 treatments.

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  1. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Here’s an excerpt of what I wrote in March regarding the Covid-19 virus:

    “... I find it interesting that the pharmaceutical industry in conjunction with the Food & Drug Administration has spent YEARS broadcasting propaganda against ANY claims that vitamins, minerals and supplements from trusted, decades old private companies have therapeutic and preventative properties … only the FDA approved drugs can help you. Yet yesterday I just watched a TV new feature telling me what type of supplements and such you can purchase from your local health food store that can boost your immune system while a vaccine is being developed for production a month or two from now!”

    Well, here we are at the end of June and I have yet to see ANY main stream media reports from our national health officials regarding a TREATMENT or PREVENTATIVE TREATMENTS for Covid-19 symptoms.

    In my lifetime, regardless of the disease, the medical profession has always come forth with ways that you could treat the symptoms of a nasty seasonal influenza or virus. This would usually entail a certain vitamins, foods or mineral supplements which could be obtained over-the-counter at your local pharmacy. They would then tell you that if symptoms persist or worsen, see your doctor. Dire circumstances would require a trip to the emergency room, which goes without saying. And while the public would be periodically told how bad the “flu season” was, the actual death toll was never primarily touted....it usually was posted at the end of the “season”. Flu vaccines were always promoted as a preventative before the “season”, even when the vaccine recommended was known to be mostly ineffective against the flu strain for that season (example. Tamiflu, which is STILL listed for flu shots despite it being effective for only one type of flu strain).

    The current Covid-19 seems to be the exception to the rule. If you fall ill with Covid-19, you are whisked away to the interior of a hospital and essentially not heard from again until you are either dead or recovered. Family members can’t even get more than just basic answers from hospitals as to the status of their loved ones...and sometimes they can’t even get that. From what information is being released, critical Covid patients are essentially put on ventilators, given fluids through an IV and it’s hope for the best. Little information is given out regarding treatment trials … the occasional mention of an anti-biotic and such. I would really like to know if the immediate family is given any updates on treatment. This is crucial, because if the family is aware and versed on the patients medical history, they can be instrumental in better treatment. I speak from experience, as when my mother was in dire straits, the careful monitoring,research and questioning by my family kept the doctors from following rote procedure that essentially was making matters worse. Doctors just treat the side effects of standard treatments until the patient gets worse, then they move on (the old adage, “the operation was a success, the patient died). Keeping the doctors updated and preventing bad decisions (option by husband, listed primary advocate/care giver) saved my mother. This option has been removed regarding Covid-19.

    Mind you, I’m not saying the doctors, nurses, technicians, etc. are not doing heroic efforts to save people....but I am pointing to a medical culture that is resistant to change or input from the civilian population. For decades, your local health (food) stores/apothecaries have given time tested treatments that strengthen the human body’s immune system. Not a cure, but ways to severely lessen flus and viral infections so as to (possibly) avoid hospitalization. The ONLY time I’ve heard of such from the medical establishment is when it was announced that China had success with vitamin C as a treatment … then a one day blurb about the mineral zinc having positive effects.

    Here’s the thing: Get yourself educated as to how to strengthen your immune system. There’s a plethora of information out there from board certified AMA doctors and medical practitioners. Waiting a year (or more) for a vaccine that may not even be the answer to the future form of the Covid-19. Typically, the large pharmaceutical companies and research lab compete for sole creator and distributor of a vaccine or cure … of which an expected number of recipients will have adverse reactions to. Then there’s the little matter of cost conveyed to the patients...enter the medical insurance companies (of which nothing has come to light as to what that entails for current survivors). So don’t wait for the official “go do this”, as an ounce of prevention is worth the pound of cure.
     
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    Here's a little sumpin'-sumpin' on the overall risks....

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    Young people, possibly from the recent protests and riots, are likely behind the recent spike in cases, and that tells us a lot about why the data looks the way it does right now. According to the CDC’s current best estimate, the fatality rate of the coronavirus for symptomatic cases only are as follows:

    • 0-49 years old: .05%
    • 50-64 years old: .2%
    • 65+ years old: 1.3%
    • Overall ages: .4%
    When you take into account that approximately 30% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic, that drives the fatality rate down even further.

    https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen...ing-lockdown-2-bs-boogaloo-is-upon-us-n587754

    Basic math.
    0.4% minus 30%....we've been scammed by Democrats out to destroy our economy.
     
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    Or one can look at the numbers a little differently:

    Americans killed in the last 6 months by covid-19 (as of today) 126,739

    Americans killed on 9-11 2977

    Americans combat deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, Spanish American War, 85,672
    War of 1812, The Revolutionary War, The Korean war

    Combat deaths in World War I and Vietnam 100,826

    Average combat deaths per year in WWII about 72,000

    In 6 months Covid-19 has equaled about 17% of all deaths military and civilian on both sides during the American Civil War.

    You feel this is a scam?
     
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    More troops died of Spanish flu than any combat or other injury. You left that out of your WWI comment.
     
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    Please re read my statement.
    An estimated 43,000 Us Service men mobilized foe World War I died of the Spanish flu. So combat deaths and flu deaths for WW I total about 169,500.

    Is it a scam or do we have a serious epidemic on our hands?
     
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    Ask the punks protesting within 6 feet of each other. As of the present, the CDC says that overall there are only zero-point-four (0.4%) of all known COVID-19 cases in the general population, which is sure to jump due to their thoughtlessness.
     
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    This one is easy to work out. It's almost impossible to patent a "natural" remedy so they need to be demonized to force the public to overlook them.

    See above.

    Most people don't understand that the "flu" shot can only protect against the strains that happened in the past. It has no benefit against those mutated. I have yet to meet one person that didn't die from a flu vaccine.

    Most have been brainwashed to believe that "medicine" knows best. In reality, medical science, as a practice, is not that old.

    You can't patent a natural clue, therefore, there is no money to be made. Demonize the natural and homeopathic and let people flock to the synthesized methods.

    See above.

    Bottom line - People, in general, want an easy and quick fix. They don't care what is involved in the details. For the life of me, I have NEVER understood why people would blindly trust doctors for their health care needs. It's clear. A doctor spends about 5-15 meeting with you so they don't really know you. You spend time with you 24/7. Why wouldn't you be more interested in your health than anyone in the medical field? Makes no sense.
     
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    You are correct. I would equate the protesters with the people attending Trump rallies neither are helping the situation.
     
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    And at 0.4% overall risk, with proper care each and every one of those Trump supporters will survive, gloriously unharmed by the experience. Use mask. Eat a bale of Vitamin D. Scrub-a-dub with two Imperial gallons...oops, liters...of cootie-killer. Burn your clothes and disinfect the house after a two-hour shower.

    Or just be adults and take our fracking chances.
     
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    Assure us this was before they died, they told you they'd gotten the shot. Otherwise, change towns before the next full moon.

    It's still guesswork and luck and shifting the blame when it fails. That part goes back to before history began. No quibble with the rest.
     
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    I took them to get the vaccine and was bedside when they passed away. They weren't in my town. I voluntarily went to LA to help after Katrina.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    Good post. I’m with you on prevention but we are in a minute minority. Doesn’t seem to be much interest from the public or “science”/medical professionals.
     
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    Herbs are the oldest medicine on earth and used by mankind.. Start with garlic and cider vinegar!
     
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    your math is a little off, as you forgot to include all the folk who died as a direct result of being exposed to the toxins of the collapsed buildings of 9-11...you can add at least 2,000 ( and counting) to that number. Vietnam 58,209 Korea 36,516 WWII 405,399 Iraq 4,497 Afghanistan 2,216. Those numbers alone are about 511,814 military personnel alone, so I'd say that'll lower your percentage some.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

    And when you get into comparisons to past flu epidemics, you're dealing with year end PROJECTIONS, not actual numbers.
    And let's remember, the victims and their families don't give a damn about numbers, they care about treatment and cures.

    The OP is not saying "scam", it's pointing to inefficient medical procedures....and I'm pointing to how people should protect themselves as much as possible.
     
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    July 1, 2020- 127299
     
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    There is no truly effective treatment for Covid -19 even the drug Rimidisvir(Spelling unsure) is not really that effective. They really don't seem to have found any really effective medicine to combat the virus. And that is now after a full six months of treating patients all over the world.
     
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