Can We Call Trump a Killer?

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  1. quiller

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    Whereas you think it's NOT fascism to order people to wear masks. Give up. Your premise reeks.
     
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    So you think it's "fascism" to order people to wear seat belts. You think its "fascism" to order people to take off their belt and shoes when they go through a metal detector at the TSA. You think it's "fascism" when the fire department orders people to abandon a building where there might be a gas leak. As is ordering people to drive on the right side of the road, or wear clothes or... stop when the cop behind you flashes their lights. All that is "fascism" to you.

    Or it would be, if you were consistent. I am 100% convinced that you are NOT.

    You have no idea of what "public health" means. And ZERO idea of what "fascism" means. Which tells me that you are not a fascist, but that you do have a knack for spreading the ignorance that fascism promotes.
     
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  3. quiller

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    You sure can invent facts not in evidence.

    I choose not to share what I am convinced about someone supporting loss of personal freedom.

    Prove.
    Me.
    Wrong.

    Fascists tell people how to live, what to do, and you are saying that very same type of dictatorial doublethink, calling it NOT fascism but safety!
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-acts-to-slow-testing-down-1020163/

    If that story is true, then yes.

    But, and this is also important.....

    I am making the claim that he is unfit for office, a threat to the health of the nation and a threat to the national security of America.

    Only a man who unfit for office would say such a thing as 'slow the testing down'. He says that because he believes testing increases the number of cases, which he thinks makes him look bad.

    This is supreme incompetency, and proves he is unfit for office.

    There is no counter argument, it is a fact that he has been saying this, or more than one occasion, 'slow the testing down' that proves he is unfit for office, that is the unescapable incontrovertible fact.

    There is no act more positive that focusing on removing a dangerous, incompetent, president from office.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...a-california-pence-fauci-white-house-1022172/


     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What fact did I make up?

    I think I see your style. When you know you can't respond you just throw in any pre-fabricated unrelated sentence you find lying around.

    And you are so used to me proving you wrong every time that you think I can do it even before you make any statement to prove you wrong about.

    My mental powers haven't developed to that stage where I can read your mind.... YET!
     
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    The CCP has always been into mass murder.

    "On April 4, Cabinet ministers triumphantly announced that they had scored a much-needed win, buying 300 ventilators from China ... "I'd like to thank the Chinese government for their support in securing that capacity," Michael Gove, a senior member of Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government, said at a briefing that day.

    But nine days later, a group of senior doctors and medical managers issued a grave warning about 250 ventilators that they had received,...

    "We believe that if used, significant patient harm, including death, is likely," according to an April 13 letter seen by NBC News. "We look forward to the withdrawal and replacement of these ventilators with devices better able to provide intensive care ventilation for our patients."
    YAHOO NEWS, The U.K. bought 250 ventilators from China. Doctors warn they could kill. By Alexander Smith and Eric Baculinao and Leou Chen, NBC News, April 30, 2020.
    https://news.yahoo.com/u-k-bought-250-ventilators-083044209.html
     
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    Of course there is a counter argument and it lies in the source you cited. Trump pulled funding for 13 sites because he wants the state to take the lead. So you have yet to prove that Trump caused the death of one person. Keep trying sunshine.
     
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    Can we call this yet another TDS thread?
     
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    duplicate
     
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    That paragraph you wrote said...

    So you think it's "fascism" to order people to wear seat belts. You think its "fascism" to order people to take off their belt and shoes when they go through a metal detector at the TSA. You think it's "fascism" when the fire department orders people to abandon a building where there might be a gas leak. As is ordering people to drive on the right side of the road, or wear clothes or... stop when the cop behind you flashes their lights. All that is "fascism" to you.

    ==

    Point to my mention of seat belts, metal detectors, fire departments evacuating burning buildings....go on.
    You lied. I never said any of it.
     
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    (*innocent stare*) You mean there's been others?.... Somebody go buy a few gallons of bleach and ammonia. Live clean with chemistry.
     
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    If not for BS strawmen, 90% of his "debate game" simply crumbles.
     
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    So it is not “fascism” To have laws about seat belts - which are designed to only save one life - your own but it is “fascism” to insist that people wear masks to save other lives
     
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    And here I thought I might be imagining things. Silly old me. Isn't 10% a bit high?
     
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    Do not call me fascist. Do not lie about my beliefs. In fact, I recommend strongly you stop using a word you obviously do not know. You clearly do not know me.
     
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    The same people who braved the American wilderness to settle this country would be revolted at how weak and directionless our young people have become. Freedom meant everything to them. This generation surrenders without a fight. Indoctrinated to follow orders, however stupid.

    Trump's Goose Isn't Cooked Yet.
    by Conrad Black


    (clip: my boldface added)

    Four months ago, in the midst of perhaps the most flourishing economy in American history, Trump’s innumerable enemies were sinking into an almost resigned state of gloom about his reelection. Since the pandemic and its consequences seemed to produce a benign deliverance for the president’s enemies—a political miracle—it has temporarily deprived most of the anti-Trump media of any perspective. It has transported them to pinnacles of righteous overconfidence, and it has emboldened the furtive anti-Trump and NeverTrump Republicans to come snorting out of the undergrowth, bellowing their long-muted hostility to the incumbent. Now they openly cavort with the Biden Democrats.

    In their preemptive exuberance, the president’s enemies have begun what amounts almost to a post-mortem on the Trump era. This prematurely fattened goose is cackling too loudly and too soon for several reasons.

    They have clambered aboard the bandwagon that Trump has failed at managing the COVID-19 crisis, and (temporarily) have persuaded a majority of Americans of this lie. The administration will have to make its case carefully and soberly with no petulance, being careful to steer clear of any danger of seeming to make an exchange between rising prosperity and coronavirus fatalities.

    In their cold terror of a vertical economic recovery, the national political media who are conducting the Democratic campaign in the absence of a viable presidential nominee, are ringing the bells threadbare with false alarms about the spread of the coronavirus. Only about one person in 7,000 under the age of 65 and in good health is in danger of dying from the coronavirus, and over 90 percent of people of all ages have minimal or no symptoms of the illness when they contract it. Those who survive the coronavirus help to build what inelegantly is called “herd immunity” as those who have been infected and have recovered develop antibodies that make them much more resistant to a recurrence, curbing subsequent outbreaks.

    https://amgreatness.com/2020/06/29/trumps-goose-isnt-cooked-yet/
     
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    It's Goebbels, and the DNC has nothing to do with it. #knowurnazis
     
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    The DNC is more Stalin-esque.
     
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    Riiiiiight.
     
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    LOL.
     
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    Even if it were true that Trump has caused unprecedented prosperity (and it most certainly is not, he has not caused our recent prosperity by any means and it is very far from unprecedented); his KILLING of what is now approaching a quarter million innocent people and his costing our nation several TRILLIONS in easily avoidable expenses would still qualify him for substantial real punishment in any other nation on this Earth that I can think of. He has done this to us, the most damage I can recall we have ever suffered in peacetime, nearly entirely to avoid admitting to even the smallest mistake and to satisfy his own ego with no other reasons for his baleful activities evident to even the most careful examination.

    The slavish devotion that Trumpers are now showing to this failed tyrant approaches the pathological. If anyone intends on continuing to advocate for his second term then ( and I say this out of sincere concern for their welfare) I must urge them to consult a mental health professional.
     
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    The nation of Japan was also not president of the united states, but is was responsible for a great many unnecessary deaths occurring during the Pearl Harbor incident.
     
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    Japan still has an Emperor. In 1946 it formally admitted the longstanding national policy that the Emperor was also divine had been wrong. I was over there in 1970 and saw the present-day emperor (then just a prince).

    I saw firsthand, Japan is not an equal society. As for Europe, most of us escaped from there, thank you very much. We enjoy our open spaces. It costs enough per acre.
     
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    Script 46. Failed this. Ego that. Damage. Punishment.

    And not one fracking shred of proof.
     
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    As long as yours is yet another example of "TWD" (Trump Worship Doctrine)
     

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