Question about masks

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  1. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

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    I have heard repeatedly that masks won't protect you; they protect other people from you. And you are selfish if you don't wear one!! So, I must assume the folks wearing masks believe they have coronavirus. So why aren't they STAYING HOME??? If they are sick, they shouldn't be out in public. Therefore, they are the selfish ones, right?

    And it can't be that they are afraid, although not ill, that they may spread it asymptomatically, because asymptomatic would mean you aren't coughing or sending the germs out your mouth or nose. Because if that was the case, they, by definition, would not be asymptomatic.

    So why are these selfish a-holes going out in public when they think they have coronavirus, wearing only a mask to protect me?
     
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    That isn't entirely true. A basic mask will be more effective preventing the wearer passing on the virus but it can still provide some protection to the wearer as well, especially used as part of more general infection prevention techniques.

    Not having symptoms of COVID-19 doesn't mean you'll never cough or sneeze and it's possible that just breathing heavily could spread the virus.

    The only way to prevent possibly asymptomatic people spreading it would be for nobody to go out, which is really the point of the lock-downs. We minimise contact between everyone, using masks (and other measures) for when people have to come in to contact with others (gong out for essentials or being an essential worker etc.).
     
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    Because the COVIDIOT in chief has NOT organised for mass testing you do not know if you are an asymptomatic spreader or not.
     
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    We are all selfish. I was prepared for a pandemic and didn’t go anywhere public from February 20th until the middle of second week of May. I did that for me primarily. For my own and my family’s interests.

    Meanwhile all the people now stuck on “masks for all” were getting groceries, going to Home Depot, and taking advantage of services that made others take risks they didn’t want to take themselves . They “needed” things people in vast areas of the world will never have, and they put their lives and the lives of others at risk to get those things. And they continue to do so while criticizing others for doing things in their self interest. It is bizarre, but try and understand and sympathize with them. They are only doing what they are told and believing what they are told to believe. :)

    Your questions will generate anger and defensive posturing because few want to examine their own selfishness. They would rather call others “selfish”. It’s a common psychological defense mechanism.
     
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    It’s mostly young people spreading the virus and most young people are asymptomatic so they need to assume they are carriers for the benefit of old people they encounter
     
  7. Bridget

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    As for me, I will choose life. Right up until God wants me.

    I have never believed the "asymptomatic" thing. It doesn't make sense to me, for one thing. But the main thing was, if that was true, we, as the human race, would be finished. How could you possibly fight this or stop it, if people who have no symptoms spread it? You would have to test EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVERY SINGLE DAY, which would not be possible. Now, the "common wisdom" seems to be that asymptomatic people really aren't spreading it much. Whatdayaknow?
     
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    https://time.com/5850256/who-asymptomatic-spread/


    WHO says one day asymptomatic people can not really spread the virus, next day they backtrack on that. As the vast majority of cases are of that nature that is a huge deal. For the record I'm not a WHO fan but many seem to be. Hell I do not really care much for the band either :)

    Mask are a visible sign that officials are doing something. It is more about that than anything else IMO. Rather they work or not is debated still, I think they would help some overall but just do not think they are needed.
     
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    We have been told that wearing a mask will prevent the spread of the evil Asian China death flu. If that's true what was the point of the lockdown?
     
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    Asymptomatic merely means one is a carrier and can transmit the virus to others (contagious). So, people may not necessarily know they are carriers and contagious.
     
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    Except the WHO came out saying that was not very common, in fact it was rare. Then after the backlash they backtracked the next day on it. Like I said I'm no fan of the WHO and I was fine with yanking US money from them. It is interesting though to see the level of conflicting information even at the highest levels on this virus months into it.
     
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    You are correct. It is an ever-revolving story day-to-day and it's hard to keep up; compounded by people's lives and jobs being on the line.
     
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    Charity begins at home. A man who does not provide for his own house is worse than an infidel.
     
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    Whether you believe or not it doesn't make the slightest difference to it's truth.

    That isn't what happened. One spokesperson said asymptomatic transmission was rare and some tabloid trash and trolls misinterpreted or misrepresented that to suggest it never happens so the WHO clarified that consistent position that asymptomatic transmission can and does happen but isn't as common as symptomatic.

    Nobody said masks can prevent all transmission. Did you really believe anyone had or were you intentionally trying to misinform people?
     
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    Excellent point! Also why the need to be six feet apart if masks just solve the problem?

    While I understand the thinking behind wearing a mask is more effective than not, there are also compelling arguments against wearing a mask also that shouldn't be ignored.

    One, OSHA describes the different types of masks and the purposes they are intended for. Most people do NOT wear their mask correctly or take the necessary hygiene practices for wearing a mask which can be more harmful to one's health. Another argument being the cloth masks that everyone seems to be sporting, while effective for LARGER particles they are ineffective for tiny particles like a virus such as Covid-19. Covid-19 is 100 nanometers, the mask being 10,000 nanometers. 100 Covid-19 viral particles can fit in one pore of a fabric mask. When one sneezes the large droplets are aerosolized and become tiny little particles that can get through a cloth mask. Also some do not fit properly around nose or mouth. ( I saw this information from a Toxicologist Ashley Everly, Dr. Fauci had said the same but has changed his story as he typically does).

    Also the surgical masks become easily contaminated and need to be changed often! Surgical masks are not considered to be PPE if they are being used solely to contain the respiratory droplets of the person wearing them according to OSHA.

    Then there are N95 masks which are best for frontline workers and healthcare professionals but are most effective at filtering out airborne particles.

    Also this is what people wear in labs handling viruses, what makes us think our cloth or thin little paper mask that doesn't properly seal the nose or mouth properly going to work?

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    I don't shame people that choose to wear a mask though, I wear one in businesses that require them because I know they are doing the best they can to remain open and stay complaint. Also, there is sooo much conflicting information, one minute masks are ineffective, now they are mandatory...
     
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    ~ People wear a mask to comply with local mandates. Here in California you are required to wear one in a place of business. Outdoor it's not recommended.
     
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    Hmmm, people who won't wear a mask to save lives because it's "inconvenient"...
     
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    You do not wear the mask because you think you are sick. You wear the mask because you might be sick without having any reason to believe you are sick.

    But also, you wear the mask because it does provide some protection to you as well (see below).

    Wearing a quality mask provides a protection to you in three primary methods:

    1) Infection is a factor of probability. Even if someone with covid-19 coughs directly into your face, it is not 100% guarantee that you will get sick. It is virtually certain, but it isn't 100%. So a mask that reduces the probability by even 3% (and quality masks are much, much higher), then the mask is providing you with protection.

    2) Quality masks are capable of blocking almost all of the carriers of the virus. We know that the virus very rarely gets aerosolized such that it travels solely by itself on the air. Instead, it is much more likely to travel in the fluid of snot or blood or on the surface of things like skin cells. Quality masks are generally capable of blocking those from traveling into your orifices and even if it sits on the surface of your mask, there are ways to reduce the probability of traveling from the outside surface to the inside of your body.

    3) We have data to suggest that the severity of your infection can be affected by the size of the initial viral load. In other words, if you get exposed to repeated blasts or more concetrated blasts of the virus, then the degree of your symptoms will likely be worse. Thus, even if the mask does not stop the infection, but it does reduce the viral load, the mask has provided you with some protection against a more significant form of the infection.
     
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    Yep. Every single problem in the whole wide world is Trumps fault.
     
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    They do not. They understand that they COULD have the virus and not know it. You can be infected one day and not show symptoms for days or longer...all the while spreading the virus
    As noted above...that is NOT what it means

    You would not. If we can keep the infection level low, we could do random testing to identify hot spots before they get out of control. Isolate THOSE people and you control the spread. But first we have to get infections low...and THEN we have to have enough friggin tests...which we STILL don't have

    Mostly because you don't WANT it to make sense
     
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    a. Tech companies. Their dream comes true when people can ONLY communicate through their devices.
    b. Big box stores. If you need a pair of shoes, you MUST buy them from Walmart.
    c. Amazon, for obvious reasons.
    d. Fast food. Whose business never depended on dining in anyhow.

    When someone finds excuses to justify more lockdowns, try to figure which category they fall into.
     
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    Ya know what keeps "the corona crisis going"?

    People like you who refuse to take it seriously
     
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    Don't be hateful Bridget...:angel:
     

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