First guns, now masks- WA Sheriffs continue to make me proud.

they 'may' save lies, my life has never been saved by wearing a seat belt

some have died from wearing a seat belt

regardless, it should be my choice to wear it or not, not forced on me by law

on long all day drives, we wear them, but loosen then so much they are useless, just to avoid a ticket

if seat belts are so important, school buses should have them too... right... but they do not

 

Suppose you are infected, you are not wearing any mask and suddenly you have to sneeze in public ... then by sneezing you spread the virus thanks to aerosol / droplet infection around 2 to 3 meters around on everything and everyone that is in the radius.
But do you wear any mask ... homemade and not a real medical protective mask like e.g. be carried by doctors during operations ... then you spread the virus only around 1 meter around you!

And of course wearing a medical mask is even better ... but not everyone has the opportunity to get such masks.

 

Doctors and nurses wear masks all day long while working. Why do they do this? To keep from getting infected while working with and operating on highly infectios patients.

Wearing a face-mask reduces the risk of transmission, plain and simple.

 

Those other medical issues do not bring with them the high probability of killing millions of people in a short amount of time. You do understand this, right?

Whether or not to wear face-masks in the middle of a pandemic, where the virus that is raging is more contagious than any other virus we have ever seen, a virus that is not a double, or triple or quadruple, but rather, a quintuple-threat, a virus for which there is no cure and the therapeutics are either limited or very expensive - should not even be a debatable issue. I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but this is not about your hurt feelings as an entitled person who feels like "get the **** off my lawn" is the better way to live. This time, this danger is more important than such snowflake'y inclinations.

The 1st amendment does not grant you a right to endanger other peoples' lives. You have, as a thinking adult, been informed over the dangers. So, fer ****'s sakes, act like a thinking adult.

Further, true Conservatives should be the VERY FIRST people to embrace masks, because face-masks are the quickest, cheapest and most effective method to drastically reduce transmission of any disease that travels through the air. Do you even understand the root of the word "Conservatism"?

Guaranteed if we didn't have the utterly ****ed-up, incompetent, bumbling, lying, cheating, stealing, philandering, adulterous President that we have been cursed to bear for 4 agonizing years and the pandemic had not hit in a presidential election year, I am pretty sure that no one would be debating whether or not to wear face masks in the middle of a pandemic.

What's next? Screaming that you don't have to wipe your butt after you sit on the pot?

This whole thing has, among certain individuals, reached a level of primal stupidity that is mindboggling.

 

Your post only reinforces the perception that you and those like you are hyping the threat of covid more for political reasons than you are medical reasons; primarily your hatred of the president. There is nothing the radical left wants more than a chance to dictate upon an entire nation how they must eat, drink, breathe, work or not work, dress, socialize, and think; and covid is their means for doing so.

We have far more to fear from you on the radical left than we do the virus you so dread, yet most have not experienced, likely won't experience, and even if they do experience it, they will likely live and gain some form of immunity from it. Sort of like the flu we've had for the past 100 years that kills 40,000 every year, yet no one ever made a political crusade out of it as they are now.

 

The OP's post didn't age well. Masks need to be mandatory. I think Florida mandates masks pretty soon (another 9,000+ cases today there) or Ron Desantis is toast.

 

Given that other countries have successfully brought this under control, including the entire EU, while we are adding 50,000 cases a day, I can't imagine you're happy with the way America is handling this. Does any of that buck stop with Trump?

 

That is still total nonsense.

The issue regardng sheriffs has NOTHING to do with whether you or I or some sheriff likes the law.

Sheriffs are hired to form a job function. And, that function has nothing to do with deciding whether our laws are legit.

They are not ths supreme court.

 

Thee is absoltuely no comparison with Nuremburg.

Those prosecuted at Nuremburg were not prosecuted for for stuff like gun control laws. They were prosecuted for killing people by the millions in grotesque manner without due process or even charges.

Claiming that the laws the sheriffs objected to rise to that level is obvious nonsense.

 

Nuremburg is a precedence of which all other forms of government follow. It's not okay to demand something and have them in "yes, sir" compliance. Those days are over, even if they aren't to the level of butchering other human beings.

 

I'd have to see some real data to know if that's true or not true, and real data is hard to come by these days due to the politicization of the issue.

Surely you would know that if a country tests twice as much per-capita as another country, it will just "look" like it has twice as many cases, when in fact, it's only because they did twice as much testing.

Surely you weren't happy with the hundreds of thousands of protestors marching on our streets over the past couple of months, or were you? If you were honest about your concerns over covid, you'd be criticizing them far more than you would Trump, who is simply doing the best he can during these trying times.

 

That data exists and is not hard to find. Did you really not know that many Asian countries have had this under control for months now?

Many many countries have done more testing-per-capita. We're ranked 27th: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Our infection rate is 8 times higher than the EU's.

I don't think either set of protesters (the ones protesting police violence and the ones protesting the shutdown) should have been protesting. But I understand why they did it.

Would you care to answer my question now? How much of this failed Covid response do you blame Trump for? How much of the buck do you think stops with him?

 

I don't blame Trump for medical issues, but there's plenty of blame to put on the blue state governors and mayors who mishandled the crisis in their own states and cities; both on the medical front, and the anarchy front.

I judge Trump based on political issues, and he's as politically astute as ever; striving to protect our constitutional freedoms and liberties while at the same time trying to manage a hostile press and a radical left that's trying to thwart every move he makes; regardless of its nature.

 

Again, the problem with that is that the reasons for noncompliance have to be of a similar level of import as the reasons considerd by Nuremburg.

That court was NOT a precedent for simply breaking laws you don't agree with.

For example, if someone steals food when they can show that they didn't have any other way for survival, they're highly likely to dodge jail.

But, this whole issue of justifying illegal behavior does not come CLOSE to justifying a law enforcement officer making up the law as he goes along.

 

Nope.

That was some very uninteresting drivel, but I expected nothing less than that from the radical right.

 

Obama was hired to do a job also. DAPA/DACA ran counter to existing immigration law. That is a fact. Obama was not the Supreme Court either. Yet apparently you supported Obama in his issuance of DAPA/DACA because you are refusing to acknowledge that Obama ran counter to the law while hollering about these sheriffs. So apparently it does matter whether you like the law or not.

 

thus people should wear a mask if they fear getting the virus.... the question is... can you force others to wear a mask rather then just wear a mask yourself

 

I made very clear and well reasoned statements about what it means to be a sheriff. They had NOTHING to do with my approval or disapproval of ANY law that is part of their job requirement to enforce.

YOU, on the other hand, are trying your best to pretend this is a partisan issue. It is not.

Sheriffs are not presidents, by the way. And, if you want to discuss immigration policy I'd be more than interested. But, it's irrelevant in this thread.

 

No you didn't. According to the OP the Washington State Constitution says that Sheriffs are the chief law enforcement officer of their counties. Meaning that in their counties they have just as much authority as the President does when he/she enforces federal law. All your statements consisted of is that they don't have the right to ignore the law, that they MUST enforce the Governors Orders. Well, I'll use the same argument that Obama supporters used when Obama instituted DAPA/DACA. The Chief Law Enforcement Officer (which applies to both the President and these sheriffs) has the choice of where and how to allocate the resources that they have. Its called discretionary authority. Meaning that they can choose to enforce one law over another or even not enforce a law. This isn't opinion. This is fact. Where as yours, is just an opinion based on emotion, and whether you support the law or not.

Of course the difference between these sheriffs and what Obama did is that they are simply choosing to use their discretionary powers, IE: Choosing to not arrest people who don't wear masks...where as Obama went beyond choosing to not make arrests and made actual policy decisions that ran counter to existing law and gave illegals visa's.

BTW: Did you know that in Washington it is illegal to buy mattresses or meat on Sunday's? Going by your current argument the Sheriffs should be enforcing these laws. It sure is a good thing that they don't!

 

so you have no trouble to pass on the germ if you got it. pretty selfish of you, glad not everyone is doing it.

 

do you oppose to wear underwear too, how about go naked in the street. i mean, if you freedom, you should just go naked, we were born this way, its hot outside anyway. what about drink & drive, or take a dump anytime you feel like it. like everything, once we get use to it, its no big deal.

 

I can see it now. Everyone living in those plastic bubbles and the only way babies are made is through screening and embryonic tubes which grows them and the moment they are born they're put into bubbles and mechanically fed.

Hey, its no big deal once we get used to it....right?

 

But they are. Very few ppl are wearing a mask that will meaningfully reduce transmission of Cvirus. Bandanas and old t-shirts tied around the face arent going to be any more effective at blocking microscopic virus-loaded moisture particles than my chain mail. But they do comply with the law, and so will mine.

 

wear a mask is not bubble, just think as a piece of cloth, you do wear cloth do you?. its been proven to slow down the outbreak. next time when you or your family at surgery, ask doctor not to wear any mask or glove or wash their hand, let their dirt hands into your open wounds lol