End the Scourge of White Supremacy

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I got sick of listening to that guy saying that the many contradictory books in the Bible really just confirm there is one message seen from different angles etc etc

Geez...interpretation of scripture: you can read whatever you want to read into it.

And no doubt he was soon going to launch into the "prosperity gospel" so beloved of conservative Christians, which has nothing to do with Christ who said : "Love God and love one-another".

So feel free to state anything he got around to saying that is relevant to this discussion.

In fact, poverty demoralizes people, and crime is a result. Accept that fact, and ask your government do something about it, because that is what Jesus wants you to do, not just sit back and blame the victims of poverty for their poor behaviour.

Not by privatizing prisons!! Nor by providing sit-down money (welfare).

But by beginning the process of bulldozing the ghettos, and building new suburbs in conjunction with training the black workforce required to carry out the work.

At no cost to you, because all the resources (inc. teachers) and productive capacity and know-how are available in the US, which means the Federal government can fund the program simply by appropriation of funds via its own currency issuing capacity (without issuing interest bearing bonds to the private sector). Without causing inflation, because there is massive under-utilisation of the necessary resources (labour, building materials, equipment) and potential productive capacity in the economy to get the job done.

 

And crime in society is inevitable, and clashes over religion or lack of belief. I do think we can and should reduce racism and the consequences of racism where we can. Not give everything away, but provide more access to opportunities. Have we done that in many ways; yes, we have. We can and should do more, or so, it seems to me.

 

True

 

Not so, if that were the case why are Asian and Oriental people doing so well.

 

So...whatever the reasons, the fact remains the government has the resources to eradicate black (and white) poverty, which will be a better outcome for the whole community.

 

White Supremacy just means White people are in charge. That doesn't mean other races can't do well, but the bosses remain overwhelmingly White.

 

Western Civilization has been at war with itself for at least 1500 years since the Roman Empire fell and was replaced by a religious order that immediately consolidated power and killed or exiled based upon acceptance of the new Bible. On it went for centuries, war after war, carving us into factions based upon religion mostly. Then it moved abroad as we conquered nation after nation turning natives into good little living Christians under the whip or dead little pagans by the millions. Luther struck the big match, it was the Pope against Luther for centuries with war after war lasting decades. That war even drove some to come to the New World and try to survive here, we call them the Pilgrims. They killed and dominated effectively making it attractive for even more ostracized factions to come here and take land. So we have Catholic Maryland, Quaker Pennsylvania, Puritan New England, Lutheran states in the south all dominated by former English castaways. Other movements from parts of Europe came in waves, they too were made into the other. Sure we were great at the big things but lets face it, morally our entire history is filled with war, tribalism, death and destruction. And I did not even get to the sin of slavery or genocide. And we dare to call ourselves great.

 

Very good post with reasonable and factual self-criticism ... which unfortunately is uncomfortable for many Americans to read and even more uncomfortable to accept.

 

Thank you. My post is about understanding the reality not the mythology. If we fail to accept the past, we fool ourselves into thinking we are special because we bought into the stories told us to wash over the truth and replace it with lies. None of us are responsible for the past but we are responsible for the present and the near future. Simplistic notions about our superiority will drive otherwise good people into believing they are infallible, chosen or exceptional when in fact, all humanity bears a common responsibility to be better people and to make better decisions for all of us.

 

No civilisation in history has achieved that, amazing though the US is I doubt it could either?

 

You might want to explain that some people who have a different interpretation.

 

Pretty good observation. Only thing is, it is not unique to white people, that is a human treat. You see all of those things happen all over nature in all species. White people were just some of the best humans at accomplishing these things. The other difference is when white people do it, the areas they conquer often improve for all people living there. I would say over all, white people are the most generous of the human species. You just have to live by our rules when you are in our countries. Which is actually for your own good mostly.

 

Be my guest.

 

Simplistic notions? Heaven forfend! My notions of white superiority are quite complicated.

 

I bet they are

I know that we all think white people make lives better but we use white peoples definitions of better to make that judgement. Is it better to pay 100 bucks a month for a cell phone or pay 100 bucks a month to keep your family alive and well? Depends on your situation does it not? Sure we all want more but is more better? I go back to Mazlow on this one, once you get the basics covered, the rest is driven by perceived needs which is what marketing is about. If we all were not bombarded by ads telling us we need this or that, would we need that or this? Not really. I see it as a form of quality of life for one and all. Europe has it down, so does Australia, Canada, NZ and some other nations. We are still struggling with our passion to judge each other not by the presence of humanity but by what we earn. Until that ends, I think most of us are living lives of quiet desperation. But we are very proud of ourselves, we even think we are the best. Not sure what that means but it sure sounds great.

 

I note that you chose all White nations as exemplars.

And is it not the liberals who look down upon the White working class as stupid, deplorables and yeetards (a word I just learned from a liberal)? It is the elite and wannabe elite who do most of the judging.

May I suggest that it is the liberal faction who have forgotten the important things in life? I don't lead a life of quiet desperation and have no problem seeing the humanity of my neighbor. To be frank, I would rather drink beer with a plumber than wine with a Harvard professor. The former can teach me more about what is important in life than the latter, I'll wager.

 

Exactly. No other European country has the degree of diversity the US has had for decades. Now that they are mass importing refugees from vastly different cultures, they are beginning to see racial unrest. Many of the refugees complain of the conditions and treatment they have received once they arrived in the European country of their choosing. Europe will soon learn the struggles of racial diversity. They think because their tight cluster of countries makes them diverse because of different ethnicities, they are about to learn the difference of racial diversity in the next 2 decades. Mark my words

 

So......

"Only thing is, it is not unique to white people, that is a human treat. You see all of those things happen all over nature in all species"

OK. Correct.

"I would say over all, white people are the most generous of the human species".

Then you would be wrong. Self-interest was always the driver of colonization.

 

Those among the working class who ARE "stupid, deplorable and yeetards" deserve to be so judged, in as much as any human can judge another.

You may suggest it, but you'd be wrong.

 

Yes, I'm sure that your judgement is going to lead to a better world. We just have to dispose of the yeetards who are the cause of all our problems.

 

No civilisation in history prior to our time has launched astronauts into space (first cab of the rank: the USSR...)nor witnessed the development of their economies assisted by AI, IT and automation.

Any first world nation today can eradicate poverty (I explained how previously ie with a Job Guarantee).

China of course is doing a pretty good job at eliminating poverty, which is why the goofs at the FBI and CIA are dredging up all sorts of supposed "crimes" committed by China, as a reason to attack China rather than looking at our own rotten neoliberal system which both guarantees a level of UNemployment and inexorably siphons the nation's productivity to the top. Pathetic.

https://ellenbrown.com/2019/06/14/the-american-dream-is-alive-and-well-in-china/

 

No. We have to eliminate physical poverty - and its associated demoralisation - which leads to poverty of the mind.

 

First step. Force minority fathers not to abandon their children...

 

Poverty has ended. The idea of a Proletariat ended in the West long ago.

 

Right on cue, recognition that THE SYSTEM is responsible for pitting race against race, class against class.

Here is Kystal Ball's brilliant expose of what I referred to as our "rotten neoliberal system" (in post #820).