'I'm leaving and I'm just not coming back': Fed up with racism, Black Americans head overseas

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  1. AP_RESURRECTION

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    I would seriously doubt that many folks would leave. It's a nice article and all that wants to make a point, but no one seems to leave in droves. When Trump was campaigning, so many people said they would leave if he won. I dont think that really happened. Those people just stuck around and watched CNN for the past 4 years.
     
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    they lawfully exercise the second amendment so that i may lawfully exercise the first amendment.
     
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    utter nonsense. it was a peacful civilization until the Devil invaded.

    The relationship between San hunter-gatherers and Khoekhoe pastoralists is the subject of current research. This question is of interest because it was the Khoekhoe who first traded cattle to the Cape Dutch in the 17th century. The main question concerns Khoekhoe origins: some believe they were local hunter-gatherers who acquired sheep and cattle, while others think they brought domestic animals with them from East Africa. Ultimately, the answer will involve linguistic and genetic data as well as archaeology. Both San and Khoekhoe were in southern Africa when the first Bantu-speaking farmers arrived about 2000 years ago.

    Pre-colonial Farmers

    According to historical linguistics, the Bantu language family originated in West Africa, along the border of present day Nigeria and Cameroon. Generally, the evidence suggests that between 200 BC and AD 200 the ancestors of Eastern Bantu-speaking people moved out of this homeland into East and Southern Africa. These people cultivated sorghum and millets, herded cattle, sheep and goats and manufactured iron tools and copper ornaments. As a rule these homesteads were sited near water and good soils that could be cultivated with iron hoes. Because metalworking represents a totally new technology, some archaeologists call this period the Iron Age. The first 900 years are known as the Early Iron Age (EIA), while the people themselves are sometimes referred to as Early Farming Communities (EFC).

    As agriculturalists, these farming people lived in semi-permanent homesteads comprising pole-and-daga (wattle and daub) houses and grain bins arranged around animal byres. This arrangement, known as the Central Cattle Pattern, was characteristic of Eastern Bantu speakers who preferred cattle for bride wealth, traced their blood from their father, practised male hereditary leadership and had a positive attitude about the role of ancestors in daily life.

    One EFC settlement near Lydenburg yielded artefacts related to the spiritual world. Seven ceramic heads had been deposited in a deep storage pit some 1200 years ago. These helmet sculptures each had eyes, a mouth and other human-like features. Two were large enough to cover a person’s head, but the others would have been mounted on poles. These sculptures were most likely used in initiation ceremonies of some sort. Replicas are on display at the Lydenburg Museum and the originals are at the Iziko Museum in Cape Town.

    Throughout the Iron Age, climatic fluctuations played a significant role in structuring human geography. When EIA people first entered southern Africa, the climate was warmer and wetter than today. Between about AD 700 to 900 the climate was colder and drier than at present, and EIA farmers would have retreated to more optimal areas. The climate became better again sometime during the Middle Iron Age, between AD 900 to 1300. At about AD 1700, however, the ‘Little Ice Age’ reached its nadir, and its impact upon human population was particularly severe.

    Besides these changes, Iron Age farmers had to contend with unpredictable droughts. When the droughts were particularly severe, from 3 to 5 years in a row, rainmakers would perform special rituals on special hills, and the common people would follow with various cleansing rituals. Evidently, some people had to burn their grain bins down and build new ones on top. These burnt structures are not as common as archaeologists once thought, and they can now be used as a cultural proxy for severe drought. The ultimate cause of the droughts was probably El NiÁ±o-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) activity because this is the most important mechanism driving climatic variability in the Southern Hemisphere. According to data from South America, ENSO activity was particularly frequent during the last 2500 years.

    Climate and geography played a significant role in the development of greater social complexity in the Limpopo Valley. Located at the junction of Botswana, Zimbabwe and South Africa, the Shashe and Limpopo rivers became the ‘Nile of South Africa’ during the Middle Iron Age. Regular flooding at this time made intensive agriculture possible. The resultant population increase, along with surplus trade from the Indian Ocean gold and ivory trade, led to the development of marked social classes and sacred leadership at Mapungubwe. As a result, Mapungubwe was the first indigenous civilisation in southern Africa, predating even Great Zimbabwe. The famous gold rhinoceros from Mapungubwe is a national icon and the inspiration for South Africa’s highest civilian award. Because of its significance to African prehistory in general, the Mapungubwe landscape became a World Heritage Site in 2003. The landscape is also a National Park and accessible to the public. Its new interpretive centre won an international prize. Treasures from Mapungubwe are also on display at the Mapungubwe Museum, University of Pretoria. Another facility in Pretoria, the National Culture History Museum, displays a large number of clay figurines from an early initiation site near Mapungubwe.

    Shortly after the abandonment of Mapungubwe (about AD 1300), the ancestors of the present day Sotho-Tswana moved south from East Africa. Archaeologists have recorded the earliest Sotho-Tswana sites, characterized by a ceramic style called Moloko, in the Limpopo Province. Somewhat later, Sotho-Tswana people moved south into a large part of Gauteng and the Northwest Province. About 100 years earlier, the ancestors of Nguni-speaking people had moved from East Africa into the KwaZulu-Natal region. These Late Iron Age farmers left huge numbers of stonewalled settlements throughout South Africa.

    Southern Nguni built the first stonewalling in about AD 1300 in the Midlands of KwaZulu-Natal. Known as Moor Park, this first walling stands in defensive positions on hilltops and spurs. The front-back orientation of these settlements conforms to the shape of the terrain. Somewhat later (about AD 1450), a few Northern Nguni moved up onto the Free State highveld and built circular settlements. The best known are near the hill Ntsuanatsatsi (the legendary place of origin of the BaFokeng), which has given its name to the walling type. Somewhat later still, these Nguni people moved across the Vaal River into the hilly areas of Gauteng and the North West Provinces, introducing the practise to Sotho-Tswana people. By the late 18th century, Western Sotho-Tswana had created the Molokwane type, best known from the site with the same name west of Rustenburg. Some Molokwane settlements were huge aggregations, housing up to 20 000 people. From this time on, urban settlements became characteristic of Sotho Tswana life.

    The huge Sotho-Tswana settlements were also a characteristic of the unusual period known as the difaqane (or mefacane) ”• the time of trouble. The causes of the difaqane are controversial. Formerly, historians began the period in 1821 when the Hlubi moved out of KwaZulu-Natal and attacked the Tlokwa on the plateau. In this interpretation, Shaka of the Zulu was one of the prime causes. Recent work, however, has shown that Shaka was a result, not a cause, and that causal processes had began a few decades earlier among the Sotho-Tswana as well as Nguni. The causal processes included an extended period of high rainfall, the introduction of maize and consequent population increase, competition for the ivory trade in the Sotho-Tswana area, competition for cattle in KwaZulu-Natal, hunting on horseback with guns in the Karroo and finally, a serious drought that lead to an agricultural collapse. Oral traditions of widespread famine, cannibalism and total annihilation of enemies at this time indicate an ecological imbalance between people and resources. In response to this chaos, Sotho-Tswana tended to live on hilltops and aggregate into large settlements for mutual protection. These defensive moves may have begun as early as 1780.

    At about 1826, Mzilikazi moved into the Magaliesberg to escape Shaka. Mzilikazi’s entry into Gauteng marks the beginning of the Historic Period.
     
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    those people were pure evil.
     
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    yes, thats why south africans are taking back what the devil stole.
     
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    That is in the eye of the beholder
     
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    This lengthy, cut-and-pasted history survey (which you didn't even bother to identify or link) is probably accurate.... And, as such, it does not present any new information that refutes what I had mentioned earlier.

    I refer to tracts you quoted, such as, "As agriculturalists, these farming people lived in semi-permanent homesteads comprising pole-and-daga (wattle and daub) houses and grain bins arranged around animal byres. This arrangement, known as the Central Cattle Pattern, was characteristic of Eastern Bantu speakers who preferred cattle for bride wealth, traced their blood from their father, practised male hereditary leadership and had a positive attitude about the role of ancestors in daily life."

    In other words, they were wandering tribes who lived in 'grass-shacks', following their herds of animals around to wherever there was enough grazing, and living a very simple life not materially different from that which they had been living for many thousands of years. No doubt they had a "positive attitude about the role" of their "ancestors in daily life" -- since 'daily life' hadn't changed materially for many, many generations....

    But, it is interesting that you completely left out any reference to the most prevalent, persistent characteristic of all these tribes throughout Sub-Saharan Africa -- BLACK-ON-BLACK SLAVERY! And surely that is also part of what these pastoral African people had a "positive attitude" about, because they went right on practicing it, and DO practice it in many parts of Sub-Saharan Africa to this day!

    Hypothetical question: When the "reparations" game starts being played in Africa, WHO is going to need to pay WHO...? :eekeyes:

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    a civilised country does not tolerate stealing, they were wandering tribes living in mud huts according to your reference.

     
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    Why did FDR despise blacks?
     
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    So your plan includes not tolerating the term african americans?
     
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    the new deal and other forms of socialism were meant for world war 2 veterans and the great depression, but blacks were using it as reparations.
     
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    It was very common among Democrats, and others, to "despise blacks". You can look at the writings and read the quotes of 'Progressives' and even the "Great Liberator" himself, Abraham Lincoln, and see clearly that the great majority of them thought that Negroes were a racially-inferior sub-order of generalized 'humanity' -- an evolutionary plateau located somewhere between monkeys and apes, and the more advanced, intellectually-superior races of mankind -- Caucasians and Orientals.

    Examine what Progressive Democrat, Woodrow Wilson thought about blacks! FDR, who came later, probably agreed with Wilson completely.

    But no one handled racial prejudice and cynical racial loathing better and more effectively than liberal Democrat President, Lyndon Johnson! He saw the true potential of the negro vote, and put welfare programs in place that, as he put it, "...have those ni**ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years!"

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    re quoted for relevance, kudos for providing accurate historical context with this image.
     
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    I probably would have recognized the superior power of the long knives and attempted to integrate with them. But I understand why they fought against the invasion. It is a natural human thing to do. But it was a losing war.
     
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    They're also all dead.
     
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    yes, thats why south africans are taking back what the devil stole. isnipped the rest of your post since its clearly false as the article iposted proves. please stop spreading false anti black hatred thanks.
     
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    they all moved to south africa.
     
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    try reading it again, SLOWLY>
     
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    You can read it "SLOWLY" or breeze through it. It's generalized, first-year college 'survey' class stuff. Nothing WRONG with it, and in fact, it is useful in supporting my observation that, all in all, the black tribes of Sub-Saharan Africa lived a nominal pastoral existence -- much as it had been for thousands of years, including their penchant for enslaving the populations of other tribes they had conquered.... Oddly, though, your copy-and-pasted tract made no (NO) mention of this....

    But, when you juxtapose the black African 'experience' with the rise of either white or oriental civilization throughout the world, the contrasts are immense in their implications. By any measure, black civilization -- on its own -- barely rose above the 'Stone Age' level. And it was not until Sub-Saharan Africa was "discovered" by other races, from the Middle East, India, and Europe, that blacks there became AWAKENED.

    And, sadly, now that they've become awakened, instead of working WITH those who brought them up to modern levels of civilization, they steal from them, threaten them with annihilation, and make it impossible for them even to live there in the place that has also been THEIR home for hundreds of years....
     
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    It is with the utmost respect that I say: God left africa because the natives did not allow the white immigrants to give them religion and civilisation.

    south africa is the only place left where whites out of the goodness of their hearts decided to stay, despite the radical terror they face each day.
     
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    One has to wonder why blacks forgave FDR and Wilson and JBJ.
     
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    So when is your ticket to leave?
     
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    Reparations for what? And that explains why FDR despised blacks?
     
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    so fisrt you said, hunter gatherer, then you conceded and it became pastoralist but it clearly states agriculturist. youll get there in the end.

    "Now let’s have a look at some serious wealth and to do so we must go back to the period 1280 to 1337 when Mansa Musa was king of the Mali Empire in West Africa. There is no number I can use to explain his wealth but let’s just say it was incalculable.

    Mansa Musa was born in 1280 and inherited the kingdom after his brother, Mansa Abu-Bakr abdicated to go on an expedition. He was obsessed with the Atlantic Ocean and what lay beyond it and embarked on an expedition with a fleet of 2,000 ships never to return.

    The kingdom of Mali grew significantly under the rule of Mansa Musa. The kingdom stretched for about 2,000 miles, from the Atlantic Ocean all the way to modern-day Niger.

    The empire of Mali accounted for almost half of the Old World’s gold, according to the British Museum and all of it belonged to the king.

    Though the empire of Mali was home to so much gold, the kingdom itself was not well known. This changed when Mansa Musa, a devout Muslim, decided to go on a pilgrimage to Mecca. The king reportedly left Mali with a caravan of 60,000 men. He took his entire royal court, soldiers, entertainers, merchants, camel drivers and 12,000 slaves, as well as a long train of goats and sheep for food. It was a city moving through the desert.

    There is no doubt that Mansa Musa spent, or wasted, a lot of gold during his pilgrimage. But it was his excessive generosity that also caught the eyes of the world. Mansa Musa had put Mali and himself on the map and his empire became an African El Dorado and people came from near and far to have a glimpse.

    In addition to encouraging the arts and architecture, he funded literature and built schools, libraries and mosques. Timbuktu soon became a centre of education and people travelled from around the world to study at what would become the Sankore University.

    After Mansa Musa died in 1337, aged 57, the empire was inherited by his sons who could not hold the empire together. The smaller states broke off and the empire crumbled. The later arrival of Europeans in the region was the final nail in the empire’s coffin."
     
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    Will he be on a jet plane?
     

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