Trump commutes Roger Stone's sentence

So in your opinion, our democratic system of justice is all wrong, is that what you're saying? Would you prefer one such as China, Russia, Iran or Saudi Arabia has? If so, you may get your wish very soon because that's exactly where Trump is taking this country.

Trump is never right or consistent.

 

It was not a 'kangaroo' court and to claim that is pure partisanship. You have no grounds on which to make any such claim.

 

I would think that if he is never right that would make him consistent?

 

true

 

You forget who you are talking to - I hate Trump. It is you who is the one mired in partisan never never land.

I was against the Clinton Witch hunt and was against this witch hunt - for the same reasons as Dershowitz.

Early on in this witch hunt it was known that Trump was not 1) involved in the hack 2) did not pay the Russian FB people.

This were the things that were claimed to be the legitimate national security issues that justified the creation of a special council - one which is allowed to violate essential liberty - in ways that normal courts are not - due to the severity of this issue.

The special council has broad latitude - and can investigate anything - so long has some reasonable connection to 1 or 2.

Being involved with releasing information from the hack is NOT illegal as ruled by the Judge in the DNC vs Trump and the Russians.
This does not meet the criteria for legitimacy having no connection to 1 or 2.

Thus investigation down this path were illegitimacy of authority - as were the subsequent convictions.

Sorry but - some dudes tax fraud a decade earlier does not cut it - not material to the investigation.

Similarly - how many inches of cigar that Slick Willy inserted into Monica's oval orifice was not material or relevant to White Water in any way.
The question never should have been allowed.

 

Definitely not Trump’s. He has no ethics.

 

National Review has an interesting article on the subject of this pardon. Basically, it thinks badly of this pardon; but it also thinks badly of the Democrats who have opposed it.

Here is the entire article:

"President Trump has commuted the sentence of Roger Stone. The timing, late on Friday, suggests internal embarrassment over the move, and we wish there were more.

"The commutation is a move fully within the president’s powers and in keeping with the long-established pattern of presidents’ pardoning or commuting the sentences of associates caught up in special-counsel probes, although usually the associates aren’t as sleazy as Stone. We’re a long way from George H. W. Bush’s pardoning Cap Weinberger, the great Reagan-era defense official, who had been indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice in the Lawrence Walsh investigation.

"No one would think of letting Roger Stone anywhere near any serious responsibility, and even the Trump campaign in 2016 had the sense to keep him at arm’s length.

"The media and Democrats are incandescent with outrage over the commutation for someone they say covered up Trump’s treacherous dealings with Russia in 2016. But the indictment of Stone and subsequent trial definitively established that Stone had no inside knowledge of Russian hacking or WikiLeaks’s role in disseminating stolen DNC emails; instead, he tried to parlay media gossip and what he heard from an intermediary into a sense that he knew more than he did. Never before has an alleged spy been such a fatuous figure and ridiculous braggart.

"There is no doubt, though, that Stone was guilty of perjury and a laughably ham-handed attempt at witness tampering. He was justly convicted of these charges and deserved to go to jail; in our system of justice, self-parody is no defense.

"Attorney General Bill Barr reportedly opposed the commutation and was right to do so. The act of clemency is made worse by the fact that Stone repeatedly argued that he was owed it for his loyalty to the president.

"Again, there is no reason to believe that Stone actually knows more damaging information about Trump’s dealings with Russia. Mueller’s investigators interviewed, subpoenaed, and searched hundreds of witnesses and prosecuted a couple of dozen Russian operatives and entities, and concluded that the Russians neither got help nor were looking for help from the Trump campaign. Even if Stone’s talk of omerta is a pose, it is grotesque and alone makes him unworthy of clemency.

"(At least Trump didn’t pardon him, which means that his convictions still stand.)

"This isn’t to deny the excesses of Trump’s critics and the prosecutors. The focus on Stone as the linchpin of a great international conspiracy was always absurd, even though some people — including Andrew Weissman, the zealous Democratic prosecutor who had a large hand in running the Mueller probe — are still clinging to it today. The early-morning SWAT team raid on Stone’s home, somehow covered by a CNN crew, was a travesty.

“But Trump’s handling of the matter is indefensible. It is another indication of his perverse, highly personalized view of the criminal-justice system — and another reminder of the loathsome characters he’s surrounded himself with his entire adult life.”

 

What is Trump doing that is moving us toward a totalitarian government?

 

All of this is nothing more than defection and excuse-making. You're dismissed.

 

Oh ignoring science in dealing with this pandemic, ordering people they have to open schools even though 3 teachers in Arizona just contracted the virus and one of them died, taking the word and tweeting Chuck Woolery - a game show host -- over the word of professionals in science, virology and epidemiology.Doing op-research on a valuable professional scientist in order to de-legitimize him.

That's just the most recent vile things Trump is guilty of.

 

Translation - you have no ability to address my comments and so you project your issues onto others - then run from the playground in a fit of name calling prior to sticking head deep in the sandbox of denial

 

I don't have time for your foolishness and Trump protectionism and diversionary tactics intended to make Trump look like anything else than what he is. A crooked, lying son of a bitch.

 

I didn't ask you how vile he is, I asked you what he has done/is doing to turn this country into a totalitarian government? What freedom has he stolen from you? This pandemic has cost us a great deal but it is not Trump that is demanding ever stricter policies.

 

Trump should never have done this considering Stone being a member of FALN.

 

It's a great time to be a criminal. Watch for him to give a pardon to Derek Chauvin, after he loses the election. His parting FU to America.

 

Yes - demonize the messenger - anything to make the bad thought go away.

I readily grant that Trump is a crooked lying SOB - That does not change the fact that this was a Kangaroo process - and ruled as such in numerous instances - Such as the Judge in Dems vs Trump and the Russians - in many other places as more of this clown show comes to light.

You can't deal with the facts - and so you run and hide behind name calling and demonization - and that is all you have done thus far - Pathetic.

 

Prove that the Roger Stone trial was a 'kangaroo' trial. Prove that if you can. And yes, Trump is and has always been totally under Putin's thumb.

 

Well don't worry about that, he's not going to lose.

 

Are you confusing him with the Obama pardon of Oscar Lopez-Rivera?

 

I was referring to Clinton pardoning the 16 members of the Puerto Rican terrorist group.

 

Presidents get squirrely with the get out of jail cards. All we can do with some is look and say "Whut".

 

Did you feel that way when Obama commuted the sentence of FALN murdering terrorist Oscar Lopez Rivera who refused to renounce terrorism? Or did you mind when Obama commuted the sentence of Chelsea Manning who leaked 750,000 classified documents to Wikileaks? He wanted to be cool with the LGBTQ community. That's really a "principled" reason, right?

 

Why did the Democrats continually lie and perpetuate the Russian hoax for 3 years? What should happen to those traitors? People need to go to jail, but they should be Democrats for trying to overthrow our government based on lies paid for by Hillary so she could be president. Democrats never do anything fair and square. They always cheat to win, but this time it failed. Anyone who was persecuted by Mueller and the Democrats should have their good names and reputations restored and be compensated.

 

President Obama commuted the sentence of Oscar Lopez Rivera because he was in his seventies. Unlike Roger Stone who hasn't spent a single day in prison, he had spent half his life in prison serving 35 years of a 55 year sentence, he was considered by many international organizations to be a political prisoner, which is a really bad look for the 'Land of the Free'. Additionally, his release was supported by the Puerto Rican governor and resident commissioner (delegate to the House of Representatives), and was broadly supported by the Puerto Rican people as a whole. It was highly unlikely that Lopez Riviera would have strapped an AK-47 to his walker and return to terrorism once was released, so there is little reason to make him die in prison.

He commuted the 35 year sentence of Chelsea Manning for Treason to about 7 years and Manning was released from Leavenworth according to the presidential commutation. Julian Assange encouraged and assisted Manning in cracking the passwords granting them access to extremely sensitive top secret data, which Assange used to enrich himself by publishing. Manning was left to the military justice system, Assange hid in an embassy. Assange has been correctly charged with conspiracy to commit espionage and espionage. Manning is still a convicted felon.

 

You were already given proof - after which you went into a name calling/demonization rant

The person who has no proof is you w/r to your your claim that Trump is under Putin's Thumb.