Covid 19 - What's the Truth?

Posted this in another web site, figured I might as well post it here...

I know I'm not alone here in questioning what the truth is behind Covid 19 here. I've heard many stories at this point. A few off the top of my head:
1- There isn't solid evidence that the Cov 2 Virus is a new Coronavirus:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/09...at-the-coronavirus-fulfills-kochs-postulates/



2- There isn't much evidence that Cov 2 has killed anyone:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/...y-association/

3-Did the Cov 2 Virus escape from a lab in Wuhan, China?:
https://www.newsweek.com/scientists-...y-says-1504656

And since this is a Canadian forum:
COVID Deaths in Canada: A Questionable Statistic: Before Canadians surrender anymore of their freedoms to COVID-19 propaganda, can we stop and ask some critical questions?| Off Guardian

So, what do people think? I'm hoping we can get some constructive dialogue going on this...

 

I'm convinced that this will not be sorted out for years to come. History will tell the story in its own time.

 

Agreed. However, I also think that history won't write itself- there's got to be investigators on the ground working to figure it out. Anyway, thanks for commenting- at least I got one comment .

 

Well, you aren't getting the truth from the Lying Fake News Media.

ACCORDING TO THE PRESS, IT’S ALL A RED-STATE PROBLEM:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-coronavirus-cases-worst-in-united-states/
27% of AZ citizens tested have it. Are we getting that much better at testing? What is the mortality rate of the virus as opposed to the flu at this point?
And it cannot be written enough; the Simpsons predicted this around 2010 :

 

Yes, but we are also experiencing a spike from 4th of July family gatherings and the riots. We hoped it had ended with flu season and obviously it hasn't. I hate the protocols as much as any, but we need to follow them and press on.

One ray of light: obviously when we are more diligent about distancing, we can slow the rate of transmission, but, I think we also have to face the fact that there is airborne transmission and that HVAC likely both concentrates and spreads it. We need to figure out how to effectively sterilize air as it passes through our existing HVAC systems and that's likely to be a big big retrofit project.

 

The question is, what happens if we do not? If we work on herd immunity? That trying to isolate ourselves will impoverish us and bring about other manners of death.

Which is why with our testing improving, our numbers are up. I hear deaths are as well. But as much as our numbers?

When this all started, Thunderf00t, a youtuber and scientist, described millions of deaths if we do nothing. I'll have to lookup to see if his opinion has changed.

 

I think the spike is real. Relaxing of Shelter in Place, 4th of July Family Gatherings and Riots all took place at the same time, and we are testing more thoroughly, but, positives are increasing.

So, I think we're gonna all hunker down for a bit until this blows through and then reopen a bit more cautiously next time. Though the lawless mobs will do whatever the hell they want, and the Blue "leadership" that is complicit in their sedition will make damn sure they have room to riot, burn, and engage in mayhem, without paying a price.

Trump's latest trick in Portland is to have Federal Officers on Federal Properly and if these lawless bastards pull that crap on Federal Property, they are getting rounded up, and these Sorors funded prosecutors aren't just dropping those charges, because they are FEDERAL charges. Whole different ballgame, Skippy!

Peace and Prosperity vs Hate, Riots and Mayhem, that's the choice in November.

 

I think we do both, return to work and follow the protocols. Masks, distancing, daily fever/symptom check before reporting to work. No non-essential travel, no public gatherings. We Americans aren't pushovers, we'll roll our sleeves up and do what needs to be done.

Our treatments are getting more effective, a vaccine is going to be tough because this is upper respiratory, and, our lying health experts don't have a lot of credibility, so a significant portion may hold back until the first wave is vaccinated and we can confirm they aren't lying about vaccine safety too.

Good points, yes, our testing is up, but, our positivity is also up, which means our number of infections is increasing in the real world.

Deaths: Let me check fatality rate in "Completed Cases" - that means they either died or got well. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The closed case death rate continues to drop - now 8%

March 31 - 41.6% death rate
April 30 - 28.1%
May 31 - 14.1%
June 30 - 10%
Today - 8%

Why?

• Mutations have weakened the virus?
• The Virus has burned through the easy kills and now is infecting hardier stock?
• Our treatment is better?
• We are identifying more of the less severe cases?

Could be any or all of the above.

Sobering thought:

138,165 dead - as of now.
We have 1,792,189 currently active cases.
Even if not one more person was infected, and our completed death rate dropped in half to 4%, just the active cases that we have today are going to kill another 72,000 Americans in the next 3 weeks. That's 210,000 dead IF we stopped all new infections today, which we will not.

Herd immunity:

We have 1,542,852 recovered, today. If we have a 4% death rate with current cases, we'll have a 96% survival rate, so the currently infected will add another 1,720,501 recovered in the next 3 weeks or so. So, 3,263,353 recovered, and hopefully immune by around the end of the month, at a cost of 210,000 dead.

We have 328,000,000 people with 3,263,353 recovered. Or, 0.1% immune, 60 to 80% recovered are the numbers thrown around for herd immunity, let's assume 60%. Let's also assume we drop to a 2% completed death rate.

We have 324,736,647 not sick and not immune.

We need to get to 194,841,988.2 recovered, which means 198,818,355 more need to get sick and at a 2% completed death rate, another 3,976,367 dead, or total death count, 4.2 Million dead. That's a lot of dead Americans.

Without a game changer, I don't think it has. The advantage of slowing it down, is that we don't needlessly lose folks because our health system is overwhelmed, but, this remains a serious issue.

 

I hear of good things coming out of Sweden example with a "but" to follow.. https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...-new-covid-19-cases-falls-to-lowest-since-may

I also understand they have a high death rate but the median age is high (at one point Italy had a median age of 79). Even if true, are we OK with this? Sacrifice the elderly so that the rest of society is not going through all of this?

Another stat I recall early on: they were saying covid had a 4/100K death rate or something, compared to the flu 1/1 Million. Dunno where that stands at this point. The numbers you do provide may help me extrapolate that. (Death rate you write of is not per 100K per capita, but of the number infected?)

 

I follow "completed case" death rate. That is, the infection concludes with either recovery or death, and the percentages of each.

Current infections are not included, as the result is still unknown.

Death rate per million is deaths per million of total population.

 

Sweden:

A new Swedish coronavirus antibody study suggests the herd-immunity strategy isn’t working.

Doesn’t this also suggest that it’s not as contagious as feared?

Tom Britton, a professor who helped develop the agency’s forecasting model, acknowledged that the calculations may have been wrong.

Britton had previously suggested that about half of the country could become infected by the end of April.

This kind of honesty is both welcome and rare.

Now - What's really occuring?

• Some people may defeat the disease so swiftly via the innate immune system, that there's not enough time to build antibodies. These folks will likely smack this thing everytime it tries to infect them, so effectively “immune”.

Also, antibodies, or their lack, may not tell the whole story. T cells found in COVID-19 patients ‘bode well’ for long-term immunity.

So, still lots of unknowns to figure out. Continue to follow the protocols for your area, and to the extent possible, re-engage fearlessly. Outdoors, in the sunshine, while maintaining distance seems to be a good strategy, mask up and disinfect when you have to go indoors, open all the windows and block open all the doors you can.

 

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