How come the left never says anything positive about blacks?

No, the left does talk about how oppressed and how racist the country is against black people.

That is to keep black people on the plantation. If there's all this racism what's the point of even trying.

 

I wrote "you can't convince people to be poor" ....and you say it's a conspiracy theory?

I presume you mean "can't achieve"? People achieve what they can given the circumstances.

Ah now I understand what you mean by conspiracy theories...

Government is not charity. It exists to promote "the common welfare" and economic development within rule of law, to avoid anarchy.

Unlike you, these millionaires at least recognize that much, though they don't understand the evil neoliberal system that is the cause of the problem.

[After all they did become rich in the current neoliberal system, but apparently they are feeling uncomfortable, in this pandemic, for the many who are failing to successfully compete in that same system.]

 

some, and some on the right are racists

I am the left and I say there are racist whites on the right and racist blacks on the left.... but most Americans are not racist

 

Well, I'm not "the left", I'm an individual but, that said, I actually think the opposite is true. I think, increasingly, that a whole lot of white people are actually a lot less racist than white people "as a whole" used to be. I also think there are swaths of white people who never were racist in the first place. They may have been immune or oblivious to certain forms of institutional racism but you've got to cut them some slack. Oftentimes people don't realize that they're living in bubbles until those bubbles get burst.

That's what's happening now. Folks of all stripes are realizing that we're all just human beings trying to make our country work. And we will.

For the most part, I find people friendly and agreeable but sometimes people have attitudes and outlooks that they're not even to blame for. It's just accepted as the status quo, or at least it was.

It seems like the younger generation aren't going to take that because they, frankly, don't know how. Visit any major population hub in the US and the diversity is astounding.

I don't even know how I could attempt to classify white people "as a whole". If I see a white person walking toward me I don't know if they're a born or naturalized US Citizen, a British or German or Russian (etc.) tourist, illegal, visa worker or resident alien. They probably all have vastly different perspectives on life, so how could I possibly identify them "as a whole". White people are just as diverse as everybody else.

No, black people aren't victims.

That's positive!

 

in response to you saying the truth is right wing garbage.

But you knew that you just have to make a straw man cuz you're wrong.

so the only way black people can achieve something is if white people let them?

That's white supremacist crap they don't need you. Self-absorbed nobody's only get in the way.

yes it's your belief that the truth is right-wing garbage talking points.

so you can't write them a check unless they tax you because they're not a charity?

That is profoundly stupid.

So if something is profoundly stupid it doesn't make sense and if it doesn't make sense it's probably not true.

You can believe whatever bullshit you want. That doesn't make it any less bullshit.

so they wanted to have more of their money but they don't want to be implicated im giving to them?

Sounds like crony capitalism

So they want the current neoliberal system to have more money or does somehow when you text millionaires more the system somehow magically changes?

 

I'm sure there are racist people on the right, but this idea that the blacks can't succeed without white people letting them is strictly left. It's something progressive politicians say it's something Joe Biden has said.

The only reason progressives think the only way black people can succeed is if white people let them is it because they think black people are inferior.

It's called the soft bigotry of low expectations.

 

One would have to A: Be black and B: Run as a Republican to begin with. You could get rid of every Caucasian-looking Republican, and I highly doubt this would change anything at all. Would Marco Rubio(a hispanic) been slandered any less? Probably not.

Simply put, the Republican Party is doomed to a self-confirmation bias that it cannot hope to escape from, the only hope is for Blacks to lose faith in Democratic leadership, and for some reason despite the moon promises(and no such realization) they still have faith.

That's admirable in a sense, but it's also cowardly in another sense. If Democrats aren't getting the job done, you're not a traitor to your family or whatever for calling them out.

 

Indeed. That one is desperately trying to round up a few votes for trump from the paranoid undecideds. Demonizing blacks is a tried and true way of scaring the bejezuz out of weak minded whites who then flock to the racist demagoguery of the latest right wing opinion leader.

 

No one is demonizing anybody, we're wondering why no one on the Liberal side is optimistic about the future of African-Americans.

 

On the contrary the RW IS delusional, simplistic garbage (eg the RW mantra that 'personal responsibility' ALONE determines outcomes), so I don't need to create a straw man; self-awareness can be a painful process , but time is up for this RW garbage, as millions of people are nearing starvation in this pandemic.

So...for your self-awareness...

Competitive greed and instinctive self-interest motivates all individuals; this is why capitalism is a powerful force in economic development (and why even China adopted 'state managed' capitalism in the 80's).

But obviously a counter-balancing community force that can only come from government is required for sustainable economic development, since individuals place their own interests first and foremost, in the competition between individuals within the capitalist mode of production. .

How painful is any of that for you to grasp?

The black ghettos have to be bulldozed, yes.There is simply too much demoralization within them. State-provided education, training and employment for all will need to be implemented in the new communities.

I can see that my post - exposing the competitive greed and instinctive self-interest of all individuals - will be painful for you to accept, but like i said, self awareness can be painful.

Addressed above.

Government doesn't accept charity, because the RESPONSIBILITY of government is much more profound than a dependence on charity would allow.

Yes, rich people CAN be stupid...

Sorry, the Forbes article is not fake news...

True, and hopefully (but not likely) I have exposed the mythology and simplisctic nonsense of your world view.

(Look, I'm just the messenger: it's a pity God didn't create humans with altruistic instincts, but that's the way it is, so we have to work around that reality, if we are to survive as a species....

No, they just recognize the current system results in soaring inequality (where some individuals are wealthier than entire countries, I presume you've heard of Bezos...), and is unsustainable.

But they think they can fix it by paying more taxes, in this pandemic emergency, which is no solution to the underlying problem, namely, entrenched poverty and unemployment.

Indeed, neoliberalism does result in crony capitalism.

Yes...but their solution (higher taxes) is not the way to go, as mentioned above. The solution requires the eradication of poverty in a world of plenty, through real full employment.

No the system doesn't change, but those millionaires think they will change it by paying higher taxes.

 

Because they know mere "positive thinking" won't eradicate the black ghettos.

 

Meh banal LW Autistic screeching.

it comes off as rather redundant because I'm not an anarcho-capitalist.

but it's good you work through these simple things so that you may better understand them in the future.

so bulldozers the ghettos and what these people just live in the streets? Or you make another form of government housing which is just bulldozing it ghetto to replace it with a ghetto. We already have state provided education which we spend more money than most other countries on per student and is a complete disaster so doing that more is even stupider.

As far as the state employment no the state isn't the business just like it's not a charity.

I think if I were you I would get my money back on your crystal ball it's broken.

Instinctive self-interest is instinctive it's the word instinctive. It just doesn't go away because you try to make the government into a business and a mommy.

Socialism fails every time it's tried.

right it prefers theft. Remember the government doesn't make any money. It is an expense not a wealth generator.

All hail the godstate.

typically they're trying to figure out how to get other people to pay their way the pointing out that rich people want something is typically an argument against it.

Oh so Forbes is your holy doctrine through which all truth comes.

Sorry I'm not part of your state worship.

only people that overestimate their own intelligence think that simplicity is nonsense.

Sometimes the simplest things are genius.

maybe you need to brush up on what altruism really is. it's not altruism to tear down a ghetto and replace it with a ghetto, it isn't altruism to steal money from people under threat of imprisonment and give it to people who didn't earn it.

Your state worship religion is backward. Your prophets are false and your god is an expense.

if you want equality go to North Korea communism is equality. Everyone is equally poor.

If we gave everyone in the country 5 times what they have now the inequality would be exactly the same.

this isn't about lifting people up this is about cutting people down that's what you want to do that's why you present communism couched as some sort of capitalism.

wow that's a lot of bullshit.

First the rich will never pay more taxes. They don't in any system. They are the source of wealth and you don't bite the hand that feeds. Remember the government doesn't generate wealth it is an expense.

Second, money can't stop a virus.

Third, soaring unemployment was caused by psychopathic governments usurping the people's rights.

And socialism results typically in famine and money becoming worthless we've seen it enough times to predict and to know exactly why.

yeah it disagree that the solution is communism that never works.

no they don't if they did they would just write a check.

 

Because that would be racist. There isn't anything, positive or negative, that can be legitimately said about black people as a whole (or white people as a whole, or Asian people as a whole, etc.). The entire point (albeit massively confused, corrupted and politicised) is that individuals should be treated as individuals, regardless of their skin colour (and other irrelevant groupings). It's so much easier to hate people when they're an amorphous grouping rather than identifiable individuals and some people don't want to stop hating. Of course, the same applies to partisan political labels like "left" and "right" too.

 

that is not what they are saying, they are saying racist are bad and can make it harder on those they discriminate against

 

All five of them in the backwaters of alabama not sure how they matter outside of the backwaters of alabama.

 

there are sadly more than 5 racists in this country, and lots more if you count the racists of other races, not just the white ones

 

I have to ask, do you have a reputable link that supports this claim?

Have "millions" lost a bunch of weight?

If "millions" have not lost a bunch of weight, how can you claim that they are nearing starvation?

 

Hiding under every rock and around every corner waiting just to get you in sure, likely with all the other boogeymen that seem to only exist when convenient.

 

It's all up to the individual As much as I disagree with her, Ilhan Omar came from a dirt poor and corrupt country where piracy still exists. Yet she came here, took advantage of her opportunities, and look where she is now. If she can do that, then why can't home grown people do it?

 

I've mentioned this before. As a whole is often how the left frames their argument even though they may not use those words. The tell us illegals are good for the economy and lower the crime rate and they refer to them as a whole. Omar and many other people on the left say this country suffers from systemic racism. That means as a whole this country is racist.

 

Who's demonizing blacks? You guys were asked to say something positive about blacks and man am I disappointed in your replies. I'm will to bet that if we had libs that word association test where a word is mentioned and then they state the first word that comes into their mind blacks would not be happy.

Word: Blacks
Lib: Slaves, oppressed, poor, uneducated and so on. If this thread is any sort of proof, not one lib thinks highly of blacks, yet they shoot their mouths off all day about how white people are racists.

 

So you'll stop referring to illegals as the people who improve our economy, lower our crime rate and all the other positive things you say about them as a whole? On a side note, the left stopped saying that about Latinos when those same Latinos came out and said they have racist feelings towards blacks. But not only is that a story for another day, it's a story that was already on this board.

 

But the left never gives them a pep talk or even try to build their confidence. Everything the left says in reference to blacks is negative and demoralizing. The most successful people are often the ones who had strict and heavy handed coaches and mentors. Do you think Tom Brady would be a Hall of Fame QB if his coaches kept making excuses for his failures and never drove him to improve?

 

quite a few exist in this country, more have come out in the open since Trump was elected as he is giving them a voice

once we vote Trump out in November, hopefully they crawl back into the darkness like the cockroaches they are

 

And he was WRONG, damn that sux