How many COVID-19 infections are asymptomatic? Research shows it may be a lot more than thought

Well, we have roughly 150,000 dead from this. Let's suppose the mortality rate is half a percent. Since it takes about three weeks or so to die from this, that would mean 30 million Americans had this three weeks ago, which is about 10% of the population and 8x the number of cases we've identified. If we're undercounting cases, we're undercounting deaths as well, so I would guess right now about 40 million people have it/have had it.

 

Why would we be undercounting deaths also? Everybody that dies gets an autopsy and almost everybody gets medical care before they die. Deaths are what they are and no more. They even count accidents as covid deaths if they were infected.

I'm an uncounted infection. I tested negative the day before symptoms started. They are the same as my son, who tested positive the day before I was tested. Symptoms are mild and if I continue to progress like my son did, my fever will be gone by the end of the weekend and we can finish out our quarantine comfortably. Maybe we can start working out together at home. We completed his college registration paperwork today. All we have left to do is vaccinations and financial aid paperwork. My veteran status should give him a full ride, tuition wise anyway. We have his schedule and materials purchase list already.

 

Other scientists like Weinstein and his colleagues point out 3 areas that make it possible to have been engineered. He is careful to say they are not certain but it is within the realm of being possible. I didn't understand the technical stuff but it can be heard on the rogan podcast.

So for some one to say with certainty it was not engineered is not credible. Weinstein isn't a tin foil guy but has done serious research in other areas of biology..

For me its beyond my paygrade. But not for Weinstein.

 

I watched a l-o-n-g video with the guy making his claim without providing much evidence. Not very impressive.

 

He didn't go into great detail because he wasn't pressed on it. Not like he did involving his researche on the telemeres in mice used for testing. That science journalists had no interest in when they should have given its importance and relevance to research.

Yet his remarks on covid were enough to question the opinion of those who say with certainty the virus didn't get tweaked. I got the idea given what was involved there isn't any certainty.. Its the nature of the changes observed.

 

Oh, well, much better to have millions die and our economy is locked down for years than that we ever do something "socialist'

 

If Trump was a leopard he'd be telling everyone he's a genius lion

 

LOL, do you ask the same question of Fauci & Friends? Likely not.

 

Uh, I suggesting State Owned Enterprise as a solution in previous posts in other topics, several times. So who exactly are you talking to?

 

I'm not sure they get an autopsy. We don't autopsy everyone even in normal times.

"As coronavirus cases surge, inundating hospitals and leading to testing shortages, a rapidly growing number of Houston area residents are dying at home, according to an NBC News and ProPublica review of Houston Fire Department data. An increasing number of these at-home deaths have been confirmed to be the result of COVID-19, Harris County medical examiner data shows."
https://www.propublica.org/article/...deaths-in-houston-may-be-higher-than-reported

This has happened in other cities as well, and even other countries: https://www.propublica.org/article/...s-coronavirus-deaths-are-higher-than-reported

I personally know some old people (my parents among them) who are not going to the hospital no matter what if they think they have Covid. It's a miserable lonely death that ends with a tube rammed down your throat. We won't know the full numbers for awhile. It makes sense that if we're missing Covid infections, we're missing Covid deaths.

 

He wasn't pressed, but he also didn't take numerous opportunities to make more of a case for his position than he did.

His credentials are all that we have in the one-hour in video I saw. It was interesting enough to keep watching, but ultimately disappointing. I confess I'm not motivated to dig for more information.

My impression as well.

 

According to your link, the people who died at home were tested and some confirmed with Covid. Testing nonavailability is nonsense. My family and my neighbors have all been tested and found 2 places where we can be tested and get results in 15 minutes. Both places within an hour of my house.

BTW, if you catch it early, I hear hydroxichloriquin(sp?) greatly improves your odds. Tell your parents to get tested and treated, even if they don't want to be admitted into a hospital. Just get tested early, before the symptoms get too bad. My parents have become pros at self quarantining. They order groceries on line and do the contactless pickup, have a very comfortable home to stay in, and are still capable of taking care of it without outside help. We check in on them and help them(when healthy) when needed. My brother has that responsibility until my family is better.

 

Interesting post. Especially the part about older folks preferring to die at home if it comes to that.

I had an interesting conversation yesterday with someone who is close friends with the director of the funeral home with the only crematorium in our area. How things work here is every body goes in a sealed bag. A qualified (protected) person samples every body. The body remains in the morgue in the bag until the test comes back positive or negative. If the death was accidental and the C19 test comes back positive it goes in official records as a C19 death. If a test comes back negative but there is information the deceased had any respiratory symptoms it often goes in official records as a C19 death as well. This is done with every death, whether at home, hospital, or rest home.

I see how hard hit areas would have trouble testing all deceased persons. However, at least where I live deaths are certainly inflated, not undercounted.

Something else we need to expect is a wave of deaths resulting in months of no medical care during shutdowns. All the people with early stage cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. that were scared to go to the doctor during the pandemic will have much higher death rates going forward than if they had been diagnosed and treated more promptly. If they are still scared to go get treatment they will die at home as well.

I would not be surprised if a lot of the heart attack deaths referenced in your links are attributable to increased stress from worry about infection, not being able to work, financial strain, and stress from social disconnection. Of course many are likely co-morbidity from C19 as well.

 

Whataboutism. I'm ceased being a Fauci fan after he lied about the value of masks. I was disgusted when he did it. He says he lied to prevent hoarding of PPE needed by healthcare workers and first responders, but he damaged his credibility by not playing it straight with people. People who love the Jackass-in-Chief have seized upon Fauci's lie to justify the absurdity of supporting the Republicans.

 

Going to the hospital early, as soon as your O2 levels drop, could save your life without having to go on a ventilator.

 

As a 44 year old, I agree. I would go. Maybe it's different when you're 80. I've also read you can feel really fine and then collapse just a short time later.

 

The disease has taken a number of twists and turns. You can watch your O2 level with an oximeter.

 

Fauci advances an agenda, and judging from your post above, it seems you might already know that.

 

Fauci has been excellent at advancing Fauci. Where was he when the national stockpile of PPE wasn't replaced by Obama or Trump?

 

Nothing of value here.