Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Most of us don't. It's Progressives who insist on that.
     
  2. Adfundum

    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    This is what I was referring to--
    The bolded ones are Liberal Arts and people are claiming they are a waste of time.
     
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    Because very ****ing few of us are so rich that we don't need to ever worry about paying bills .. much less that privilege existing for future generations. Most of us JUST manage to scrape by with the basics - food and shelter. OF COURSE parents are going to focus on teaching their kids how to provide for themselves. How could it be otherwise? You want parents encouraging their kids to ignore survival and self-reliance (by becoming poets etc), potentially becoming burdens on the state, or maybe even homeless? That's insanity.

    Education has zero value if it won't feed you. And 99% of us need to work to feed ourselves, for the entirety of our lives.
     
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    White people make a fetish of the arts.
     
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  5. crank

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    Those are part and parcel of daily life in other societies.

    Not philosophy, psychology and sociology though . .they're all BS :p
     
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    If they don't lead directly to self-reliance, they're are a waste of time AND resources. It's an act of arrogance and selfishness to indulge those things, when you're not very very rich. Deliberately choosing to ignore your social responsibility to fend for yourself, thus potentially making yourself a burden on the State, is outrageous.
     
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    Dear, the whole world knows what's going wrong in America.
     
  8. Conservative Democrat

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    I love the social sciences and the liberal arts. However a degree in one of them is virtually worthless on the job market. Anyone who is interested in that stuff should take a few introductory courses as electives. Then they should study them on their own. Any education after high school has got to be job and career oriented.
     
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    First of all, I do not believe there was a Saharan Desert 60,000 years ago. Africa was green and fertile up to the Mediterranean Sea.

    The Out of Africa theory, which I accept and which is the scientific consensus, holds that about 60,000 years ago one hundred to several hundred modern humans left Africa for Asia, probably crossing the Sinai Peninsula. One hundred to several hundred sounds like a linguistic tribe. Linguistic tribes are groups of hunting bands that speak the same language, and which exchange females in marriage. This linguistic tribe may have been chased across the Sinai Peninsula by a larger and stronger linguistic tribe.
     
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    Going to museums and concert halls have been many of the peak experiences of my life.

    I used to think wine snobs were just that, pretentious snobs. Then one day when dining in Paris I asked a waiter to recommend an inexpensive wine to pair with the lamb dish I ordered. I only ordered the wine so as to not seem a total American slob. It was amazing, the wine enhanced the lamb and the lamb wine into a dinner of sublime contentment.

    I never again experienced this, but I no longer look down on wine connoisseurs. They have profound joys that I experienced only once. In fact, I envy them.

    You, apparently, have never had the experience of being transported into a magical spiritual realm from just from a few splashes of paint on canvas. Oh, well. I guess philistine's lives matter too, no matter how impoverished they are.
     
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    Because I used to consider myself to be on the left I do not attribute evil motives to it. I think that leftists genuinely care about poor people, especially poor blacks. They want to help them.

    I do not believe blacks would be better off without welfare. Most welfare recipients are unemployable. They lack the intelligence to do anything useful. This will become ever more of a problem as increasingly sophisticated computers and industrial robots eliminate jobs most people have the intelligence to learn. Few people have the courage to discuss this. Liberals claim that if white racism went away blacks would be fine. Conservatives claim that if blacks on welfare slapped their hands together and went out to get a job, they would join the middle class.
     
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    The differences matter because they explain black poverty, crime, and illegitimacy without blaming white racism. Because black tend to be less intelligent than whites, fewer of them should go to college and be given jobs requiring intelligence. Because blacks have a crime rate nearly eight times the white rate, a much larger number of blacks should spend most of their lives in reform school and prison, paying for their presence with prison labor.
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    What is the relationship between intelligence and criminality?
     
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    So you think blacks should be kept on welfare forever?
     
  15. bringiton

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    IMO >99% of the people who think they know what is going wrong in America profoundly misunderstand it.
     
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    Inverse. But criminality is even more inversely related to the conscientiousness and agreeableness personality factors, which are also not equal between the races (though their genetic basis is not as firmly established as that of intelligence).
     
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    liberal arts has no demand, no one buys their supply.

    the colleges could make them free for lower profit margins
     
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    Yes, thats pretty much what I said. Were you agreeing with me?
     
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    republicans have a better solution because they will allow blacks to compete in the lower IQ jobs for blue collar workers.

    there will still be racism in manual labor employment, but it is better than the welfare plantation of democrats.
     
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    no they steal bread to feed their families,

    it has nothing to do with intelligence, conscientiousness, nor agreeableness.
     
  21. bringiton

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    No they don't. That was Jean Valjean. In a book.
    OK, so you have disqualified yourself from serious discussion. Thanks for playing.
     
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    IME that becomes less true the higher up in leftist circles you move. At the top, all they want is power over those they secretly fear are their moral as well as intellectual superiors.
    Do you mean some kind of income support, or the specific means-tested system currently in place?
    IME intelligence is not the most important factor in chronic unemployment and welfare dependence. Dishonesty, disagreeableness, emotional instability, indolence, irresponsibility and unreliability are more often the disqualifying personality factors.
    Very true. It is coming, and when it happens it will likely be much faster than people's ability -- let alone their willingness -- to understand and adapt to it.
    Denial ain't just a river in Africa....
     
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    You might do better to put it this way:
    The differences matter because they explain white poverty, crime, and illegitimacy without blaming East Asian racism. Because whites tend to be less intelligent than East Asians, fewer of them should go to college and be given jobs requiring intelligence. Because whites have a crime rate several times the East Asian rate, a much larger number of whites should spend most of their lives in reform school and prison, paying for their presence with prison labor. All the same reasoning would apply equally to the differences between other pairs of races.
     
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    east asians have poverty, crime, and lower intelligence like blacks.

    the only reason east asians outperform whites is because they come from poor communist countries.

    they use this desperation and discipline to steal money from white countries and send it back to china.
     
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    What an incredibly 'impoverished' worldview, to think that those things are universal pleasures, or worse, that your joy is somehow superior. Your joy (at drinking the right wine with your lamb .. FFS) is exactly the same depth and quality as the joy someone else has at having produced a really good crop of potatoes. Or in seeing their kids able to stand on their own two feet. Or in a moving religious service. Or in playing a musical instrument themselves. Or in enhancing worn out clothing with embroidery, instead of a plain patch. Or in singing while gardening. Or in having a full larder. Where I sit, thinking transcendence via art only happens on your terms, is exactly what being a philistine is.

    Meantime, no one (least of all me) is arguing the beauties of opera and wine. I've enjoyed both. But they are two very very tiny examples of joy-bringing. In most of the world, they have no value whatsoever.
     
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