Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  1. Adfundum

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    Like the thin line and slippery slopes between free speech and hate speech, the idea of bragging (for lack of a better word) about the sex life in that way can cross some lines. First, it seems to promote a fantasy about rape, and second, it seems to promote a desire for men to be more aggressive in their relations with women. At some point it seems that a fantasy might turn to fear if the male, in trying to satisfy, comes across as too aggressive. That would be my concern.
     
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    No doubt that will answer many questions, but until we understand how much effect the environment has on the genes, we should not get too eager to promote superiority. We also need to better understand the actual and objective effect of IQ in improving civilization. We have to do better than say, "Look what we got and look what they got."
     
  3. bringiton

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    Right. Industry is necessary to support high food output, transportation, etc.
    Malthus was always just flat wrong, and the application of his false ideas by the British in India (he was for many years a professor at the British East India Company's training college) was responsible for the gratuitous deaths of tens of millions of people. Henry George conclusively refuted all Malthusian theory with a single sentence: "The man and the jayhawk both eat chickens; but where there are more jayhawks there are fewer chickens, while where there are more men, there are more chickens."
    No. Food is becoming cheaper and more abundant with the advance of technology, and there is no reason to expect that process to end. The earth can easily support a human population in the trillions just with presently known food production technology.
    That's just baldly false. Many Asian -- especially East Asian -- countries have birth rates well below replacement level. Birth rates have even crashed in some traditionally high-birth-rate Muslim countries like Bangladesh. And religion seems to be a bigger factor than race: birth rates remain high in many of the more conservative Muslim and Catholic countries like Saudi Arabia and the Philippines.
    The woke/PC community is fighting a desperate rear-guard action against genome science, a battle it is absolutely certain to lose.
     
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    Human biology is not politically correct, sorry. IMO our culture, especially in the morally and politically sensitive areas like religion, sexuality, economics, race, psychology, philosophy, etc. has never really come to terms with the implications of Darwin. We are just another animal work-in-progress, and the prize of continued existence in the future will go to the genes that reproduce the most now. Simple -- but so hard to wrap our heads around.
     
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    What is implied by Darwin's work shouldn't be considered fact. It points us in one direction but doesn't mean it's the only direction.
     
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    Or it may be just another genetic variation evolution is trying out to see how well it reproduces.
    Think about this: at some point in the past, our ancestors came to the revolutionary realization that babies come from sex. Problem is, childbirth is very painful and dangerous for women, and at that point of realization, many if not most women would probably have said, "Uh-uh. Not for me. Not going to go there any more." As human numbers were very low and our species was only marginally surviving anyway, women refusing sex could easily have resulted in our ancestors' extinction -- and rape might be the reason we are still here at all.
     
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    Evolution is a fact, sorry. Your post merely exemplifies the denial problem I was talking about.
     
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    What an absurd and disingenuous strawman fallacy.
     
  9. Adfundum

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    Darwin's version of evolution is not considered valid given the information we have today. That doesn't mean evolution isn't happening, just that it's not Darwinian evolution as he saw it. Regardless, what I said was what is implied by Darwin's work shouldn't be considered fact. They are implications and assumptions, not proven facts. They point us in a direction, but are not definitive and absolute--not yet.
     
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    Probably not. It was more likely the difficulty a basically tropical ape had surviving winter outside the tropics that drove the increase in intelligence, by requiring development of better clothing, shelter, hunting, gathering and food-preservation technology. To survive winter in the high arctic with Stone Age technology, as the Inuit and some other European and Asian populations did, must have required greater intelligence and forethought than survival in non-seasonal tropical environments.

    It is worth noting that the Neanderthals and Denisovans survived hundreds of thousands of severe high-latitude winters during the Ice Ages, and they had slightly larger brains than modern humans. All modern human populations outside sub-Saharan Africa carry Neanderthal and/or Denisovan genetic material, and also have larger brains than sub-Saharan African populations.
    Again, that is incorrect. High-latitude Asian and European populations that have never been agricultural show marked IQ advantages over tropical populations that have been agricultural for millennia. It is the rigors of winter survival that have driven the evolution of greater intelligence in populations outside the tropics, not agriculture.
    Surviving winter outside the tropics does too; and the higher the latitude, the more planning, intelligence and delayed gratification are required.
    But nomadic herding, which antedated agriculture by thousands of years, also requires similar intelligence, forethought, and delayed gratification.
    But the higher-latitude Neolithic hunter-gatherer developed drying, smoking, freezing and salting technology to preserve the fruits of a successful hunt.
    Yes, civilized life is more complicated, requiring greater ability to understand (i.e., intelligence). But life at high latitude is also more complicated than life in the tropics, if only because of the seasons.
    Or in pre-civilized societies, they might just be better hunters, herders and farmers than less intelligent men. Until very recently in evolutionary terms, the great majority of people even in "civilized" societies were in fact rural farmers.
    They were also polygamous. Polygamy was effectively universal in hunter-gatherer and nomadic-herding economies.
    It is worth noting that East Asians who now inhabit tropical areas in Southeast Asia are thought to have migrated there from Northeast Asia, displacing previous populations, presumably thanks to their advantage in intelligence.
    In high-latitude environments where food is scarce in the winter and clothing and shelter are crucial to survival, the ability to supply such goods in times of scarcity was selected for; in tropical environments where food is plentiful year-round, and one must only compete with one's fellows (and the local fauna) for access to food sources, aggression is rewarded with better access to food as well as reproductive opportunities.
     
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    It's true that Darwin did not know of the existence of genes and DNA. However, his basic insight -- heritable variation combined with differential reproduction driving biological changes over long periods of time -- was correct.
    He saw it quite accurately, he just didn't know what the mechanism was.
    See above. Today we know how evolution works in more detail, but Darwin's basic discovery remains correct.
     
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    "Superiority" is not a valid description of racial differences in intelligence or anything else.
    And understand that IQ or intelligence is just one behavioral factor that is in some measure genetic and could affect the development of civilization.
     
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    Stereotypes are often over generalizations of what is really true. Those who dislike Jews do not harbor the stereotype of the stupid, lazy Jew. Those who dislike Orientals do not harbor the stereotype of the fat Chinese woman on welfare with five illegitimate children by five different men.

    I have read on several occasions that when blacks and whites earn the same incomes blacks are more likely to go into debt and less likely to save money. From a quick cruise on in the internet, I could not find confirmation of that. I know blacks litter more because I live on the edge of a black ghetto. The fact that blacks have a crime rate that is nearly eight times the white crime rate is not controversial.
     
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    It is ironic that the Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence has led to the belief that there are no inferior races.
     
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    I understand and in my dating life have had women ask me to do “kinky” things like this but I do not oblige them because any mixture of sex and violence to me is a volatile combination and devalues the woman and even me as the man who should be protecting her. Just my opinion.
     
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    Planned Parenthood suffices.
     
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    Ok this is the most concise way for me to sum up what I understand to be true. People of African Ancestry have historically scored about a standard deviation below the mean on IQ tests but this is confounded by cultural questions that favor whites (so goes the complaint anyway) but this is confounded by the fact that Asians also face questions that favor whites.

    The question should be further studied but with the ban on administering the tests in public schools there is no longer a significant population to properly study the phenomenon.

    With this in mind no one can say one way or the other with certainty.
     
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    the counter to blm appears to have fallen on their sword with this resurgence of "race and intelligence" garbage. so be it, as long as ppl realize its an attempt to pit blacks and jewish folk against eachother and absolve white christians then we can move on and accept that its been blacks versus white christians and white jewish folk for a long time anyway lol, its nothing new. there is plenty of "white jewish europeans" who subscribe to "race and intelligence" so why not put them in the same category as the kkk and other neo nazi groups who ALL PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE in the trans atlantic so called trade.

    you can all say what you like about black folk, no matter how wicked because black folk dont control the media, say something bad about the ppl who control the media and you get police at your door.
     
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    the nazis did indeed kill themselves when they tried to go to war against the british and american navy.
     
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    6 million people have died of starvation just this year alone.

    Yes some Asian countries have reduced their population increase but not as completely as Caucasian countries and the largest population growth is now in Africa. No one dares ask them to limit family size. Just ask Sanders.

    There is a certain amount of land necessary to sustain crops and animals to feed a growing world population and once that limit is reached. Food production cannot keep up with demand.

    Also, as an aside the growing second and third world populations don’t give a damn about what Greta says and they want cars and air conditioning and a lifestyle they see on TV that the US and Western Europe have.

    Are you prepared to tell them they can’t have it?
     
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    The best rationalization for violent sexual assault on women I’ve heard in a while but it’s still extremely disturbing.
     
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    Meaning FORCED sterilization. This is the problem with sterilization, why does it have to be forced?

    People who can't afford to have children should consider not having any. For the life of me I can't see why that is automatically a Nazi precept.
     
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    Good. Then I can count on your support.
     
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    the jews are the not the superior race, they did not go out of their way to indoctrinate the world with abrahamic religions.

    christians and muslims stole their god to organize their people.
     
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    the china men do one child policy, they have high IQ

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
     
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