Did Yahweh do us a favor by denying us eternal life?

If this dimension is a school for souls karma is like flunking a grade. You reincarnate to keep learning. You flunked the previous life and come back for another go at it. We learn from suffering.

But hey if you don't want a state of consciousness without the past boring you as each day is brand new perhaps you can choose utter oblivion and nothingness. By dropping out of school? Or perhaps you can't escape it. Its samsara for eternity. The thing you want no part of. An eternity of a jaded existence. Maybe that is what hell is?

For me I would love to have the newness of a consciousness I once had when young. When playing in the dirt was happiness and never boring. That is a wonderful state of mind without a worry in the world.

 

No lens. It's like looking at a rose without thinking of it's name.

 

I agree with your description of Yahweh.

As to doing something, the only think I see is nature doing things with us as we evolve. This is not done consciously but by chance.

To think a conscious entity would, for instance, have women bear so many unfortunate and ill or deformed babies, would hardly speak well of their conscious creator.

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DL

 

Sounds way too much like the being born again that Christianity preaches.

A newborn is easier to fleece by the lying preachers than one who just grows into manhood instead.

Intelligent thinking men is the last thing the liars want.

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DL

 

That omission does not change what the rose is.

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DL

 

Not just Christianity. Its what Huxley coined, the perennial philosophy.

Many religions came up with the same idea , those that have mystical sects.

You identify with the image created by the brain, the ego? Sustained by a thousand yesterdays?

That ego must die . As the body of Christ died. His death symbolizes the death of the ego with all of its evil. The spirit of god can't dwell where the ego dwells.

Religion is about this death so god may dwell in man. But it incorporated the ego instead. And religion became evil.

A religion of the ego.

 

Not to the vile god religions. The only ego they care about is their genocidal god's.

They are a religion of immoral people who would get to heaven by using a scapegoat Jesus, which is demonstrably immoral.

As to ridding ourselves or our egos. Not a good idea.

I see my ego as all that I am, good and evil. I only have one consciousness and that is where my ego lives. So to speak. You cannot rid yourself of who you are.

Science has a way to rid us of our egos. A frontal lobotomy.

Who are you if not your ego/subconscious, and why would you rid yourself of yourself?

Sure we are not to be for or against when looking at issues, but the ego must be there to judge.

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DL

 

That is one possibility - there are others - but going with your story - Matter and/energy somehow managed to come together - in such a configuration/ way - as to gain knowledge of itself.

Proof - "I Drink Therefor I am" - we exist.

Not only that - but this configuration - through force of will - was able to manifest a thought into physical reality.

Proof - Look at index finger - now wiggle it - "Congrats" - you have manifested a thought into physical reality.

Now you have some amount of control over a few functions .. movement and so on. What you lack is the ability to - through force of will - manipulate energy/matter outside your physical being " Sans Merlin of course".

Would you have this ability - now we are talking "God - like" powers - and the greater the ability to manipulate matter/energy - the greater the power of the God.

Do such powers exist in the universe ? - is an interesting question -

 

Seems we are both naturalists.

I pulled that quote because it is demonstrably wrong.

I have used telepathy twice, which you will not likely believe, but my argument is easilly proven.

Just buy one of those brain controlled toys and you will see your thoughts controlling it.

They have some neat games out there that use brain power and directions.

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DL

 

There is no omission, just the abstinence of addition which fortifies your point.

 

For those who would die, there is life.
For those who would dream, there is reality.
for those who would hope, there is knowledge.
For those who would grow, there is eternity.

(Page 123, Far Journeys, by Robert Monroe)

 

Thanks.

Did you have an answer to the O.P.?

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DL

 

Since I believe in reincarnation, my opinion is that the oversoul is immortal. Thus only the biological entity is denied eternal life.

Bible enthusiasts dispute this position. I don't consider the Bible to be the final authority. Other sources seem suitably credible, e.g. older ones such as Mayan and Egyptian, and others such as Buddha and Hindu.

The light energy emitted as a result of harmonized chakra activity in those who reach spiritual maturity is confirmation of the process.

If there is a multiverse, then you don't know what you're missing.

 

Why would i miss it?

If you are correct, god is a universalist god and we all eventually reach heaven. Right?

If not, what is the point of our souls being yo-yos going up and down to earth forever?

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DL

 

As you said: "Be it with a body here on earth, or as a spirit in some heaven, I cannot imagine anyone living eternally and enjoying it.

It would be like living watching the same T V program running over and over and over, since there is nothing new under the sun. All would be seen as allegories and or analogous of other situations."

The multiverse is far more than nothing new under the sun.

Right. Eventually. But there are many stumbling blocks along the way. The yo-yos, turkeys who don't "get it" keep producing babies so that God can grow with each harvest of the cream of the crop...the great winepress of the wrath of God... Rev 14:14-20 and blood came out of the winepress.

Also, even for those who become qualified, it seems unlikely that the path is directly from here to heaven. The "last timers" insist that it was all very worthwhile and are unremitting in their desire to proceed further. At that point, it's a one-way ticket thru the exit. There is no backwards communication from those who have left this reality.

 

If you have seen all that is in our universe, name anything new. You can make up a new name, but eventually, all you see in other universes will just be an archetype of the zillions you have already seen. May as well be counting brains of sand on planets.

Boooooring.

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DL

 

Once again, you don't know what you're missing. You have described the physical universe as perceived by the limited ability of biological senses within an assumed narrow scope of available possibilities.

The multiverse is a plethora of divergent realities, but they are not accessed from the confines of this physical reality except thru altered states of consciousness, e.g. OOBE travel or use of chemical agents such as ayhuasca. These other realms are domains of noncorporeal beings, although existence therein is physically relevant within the occupied domain.

We are more than our physical bodies. Individuality is an energy pattern that can occupy a different level of existence when the personal circumstances dictate a change of state. There are other hierarchies beyond this world, beyond this universe.

 

Thanks for sharing your assumptions, assertions and speculative nonsense.

They look like the ramblings of a lying preacher, --- given so many unprovable statements.

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DL

 

Speculative "nonsense" and unprovable statements? True, except information revealed by occult sources is not necessarily nonsense or loose speculation, and many abstract notions are outside the jurisdiction of proof. However, skepticism of such info is diminished when the info is consistent across multiple sources and includes some that span thousands of years.

Excessive skepticism is the hallmark of stallwart exoterists. That approach is too exclusionary, IMO. The only way to beat the system is to outsmart it. A fair amount of esotericism broadens the scope and seems to improve one's chances.

 

That is why Gnostic Christians are esoteric ecumenists and naturalists.

We do not let ourselves go brain dead and believe in anything supernatural.

Faith is not wanting to know the truth.

You forget that a lie told often enough is a hallmark of religions that has even worked to the point of Christians believing that a genocidal prick of a god is somehow good and that dead men can return.

Let's stop lying.

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DL

 

You're God is too small if you think heaven will be boring.

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

 

Tell me how much you love your genocidal and infanticidal Yahweh.

Is it as much as Germans love Hitler?

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DL

 

Science has determined that a limited proportion of quarks are popping in and out of existence. Where are they going? The logical suspicion is that there must be a larger reality beyond ours. Science agrees with the feasibility of additional dimensions, with a total including ours of at least eleven, and maybe 21.

 

Said lie is based on the authority of one book. In order to get around that limited mindset, one must think outside the box.

 

The math posits that we live in both a 7 dimension universe and a 12 dimensional universe, as well as the numbers you quote.

Both science and religion are now showing a god of the gaps.

Fact is, we do not know enough at this point in time to be sure of anything.

Go with nature. It is real while supernatural imaginary gods are not.

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DL