Democrats arm up for a big loss

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  1. ChiCowboy

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    I'll believe YouGov over your imagination, thank you.
     
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    If all you can find to support that claim is an infotainment site POSING as news...well, bless your heart.
     
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    It was a poll, not news. Your post was one opinion. I'll stick with the poll.
     
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    Beware of what you ask for.
    Trump voters are typically older Americans, who are more afraid of this virus than the youngsters who are not as worried so are less likely to refrain from showing up in person on Election Day. I personally know a number of older Americans who are terrified of the idea of attending a crowded precinct to cast a vote. I haven't heard the same concerns from younger Americans who are for Biden.
    If Trump is successful in decreasing the number of states that allow mail-in balloting, he may end up suppressing his own voters.
    I heard somewhere (not sure if accurate or not) that as a matter of fact some people in his campaign are now making this point to him.
     
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    Of other opinions, gathered in unspecified circumstances. Okey-dokey.

    Clinton was ahead in the polls on Election Night. Just sayin'. And dang, it worked the other way for Truman. Polls are rubbish.
     
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    It may be so, but what makes you think that only Democrats would cheat?

    I mean, Republicans talk a lot about election fraud, then can't come up with proof (like the infamous committee that Trump put together to look at his unsubstantiated claim that 3 million illegals had voted for Hillary in California). And then, when real fraud is investigated, it turns out that... it is committed by Republicans, like the recent North Carolina 9th congressional district in which the Republican candidate was caught red-handed, cheating, and had to step down; the election was cancelled and redone later with another Republican candidate replacing the disgraced one. Guess what was used to commit the fraud? Absentee mail-in ballots!!!
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/election-fraud-is-real-and-it-involves-a-republican.html
     
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    I gather from your content above you have NEVER heard of the 1st Amendment rights to assemble and seek redress from government? :eek:

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    Don't try telling me rioters are peaceful. Bring on the water cannons and clear those streets.
     
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    The BLM protesters are peaceful!

    However it is the white supremacist AGITATORS that are doing all the RIOTING and disingenuously blaming the PEACEFUL BLM protesters.

    Facts Matter!
     
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    Produce proof that BLM protestors are peaceful, or that right wingers were rioting.
    Produce proof Antifa did not guide and sustain those riots and damage.
    Produce proof that the Democrat leadership has officially condemned this massive insult to national tranquility. Their silence says Democrats hate America. Don't be a Democrat.
     
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    First, polls don't count for a hill of beans. Second, I was not talking about voters. I was referring to party leadership
     
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    https://www.ellwoodcityledger.com/n...d-by-white-supremacists-state-official-says/3

     
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    I think it is clear that fraud is more likely to be committed by Democrats going back to 1960, but it is not exclusive and doesn't matter. Republican fraud is every bit as wrong as Democrat fraud. It remains axiomatic that universal mail-in voting has a higher risk of fraud. Claiming that such fraud has not been proven is a no-op. There are only five states that presently have universal mail-in voting. Claiming voter fraud has not been proven is like asking someone to prove horses can't climb trees.
     
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    Oh, polls count. All campaigns hire internal pollsters, and the fact that it's a huge business kinda proves this.

    Yes, you were referring to leadership. You may be right about that, but the electorate holds a lot of power. Using public opinion, I would say it's more likely that Republican leadership will not accept a Biden victory.
     
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    Actually, claiming voter fraud is inevitable is like saying horses can climb trees, although no one has witnessed it yet.
     
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    Just because pools are taken and pollsters get paid big bucks does not mean they count for much.

    If experience and history is any judge, only Democrats have ever refused to accept a presidential election. I'm not talking about not liking the election result, but not accepting it to the tune of willing to trash the Constitution or anything else they could think of to undo it. To this day, four years later, Hillary has still not conceded.
     
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    Don't misquote me in a feeble attempt to refute my claims. I never said that mail-in voter fraud is inevitable. I said it is axiomatic that the risk of fraud is more likely with mail-in voting, like it is axiomatic that horses can't climb trees.
     
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    Aside from all that coloring you did, a single unsubstantiated story based on what a professional grievance monger says is scarcely "proof." That newspaper is a small one, owned by Gatehouse Media, which recently absorbed Gannett. I have intimate firsthand knowledge of small town daily newspapering, from within. They can't make money with big staffs. They do make money overworking junior people too busy to do more than a light rewrite to call it a "news story."

    I ask again --- Why haven't senior Dems condemned the riots and violence? If they have, where's the proof?
     
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    Gore should have been your best example, but yeah. Hillary's a white Stacy Abrams-tank.
     
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    Do you suppose they will find a new impeachment team?
     
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    Many states have absentee mail-in voting too, just, not exclusive, but with high percentages that would decide elections if fraudulent but no fraud that I know of was ever suspected or proven involving mail-in voting except for the one committed by the Republican I've mentioned (which doesn't mean it has never happened in cases that I don't know of, but then, pllease kindly provide the evidence).

    No, it's not like asking someone to deliver impossible proof like proving that horses can climb trees, because at least one case WAS caught and punished, the NC 9th District Republican candidate, so it's not impossible to prove, when it happens. Parties have watchers and monitors and lawyers who look at demographics and historical trends in districts so if there is massive discrepancy, it gets investigated, which is how the prospective Congressman got caught.

    If you say it happens, it's on you to prove the claim. I understand that you're not explicitly saying it happens, but merely saying mail-in voting is more vulnerable to fraud, and I've agreed with this much, but still, it seems like it hasn't happened in any significant way, so why the concerns for the upcoming election?

    OK, you say it doesn't matter, but do you care for presenting the evidence that fraud is more likely to be committed by Democrats going back to 1960? Links to proven cases, please.

    I agree that fraud by any party is every bit as wrong as fraud by any other party. It's just that electoral fraud is not a very prominent phenomenon in American politics, unlike in some Banana Republics out there. The fact that our elections are State-controlled prevents wide-spread fraud in an election for president, which would need to be waged in a vast conspiracy involving too many people to succeed without being discovered. So the few cases of fraud that did happen were very local and very limited and rarely bad enough to change any significant race.

    The fear is over-blown and is a partisan talking point.

    Take the idea that illegals vote by the millions. It's extremely preposterous. Typically, illegals lay low, for fear of being caught and deported. It is extremely far-fetched to suppose that Mexican illegal immigrant, poorly educated, construction worker Mr. Juan Gonzales, short, brown, and Mexican-Indian looking, with broken English and a heavy accent, would risk being caught and deported, by presenting himself to a precinct trying to mimic an American voter not likely to show up, in order to vote in his stead. Imagine Mr. Gonzales getting there and saying in broken accented English "Me is Joseph Smith the Third, gringo, quiero decir, American citizen, and me want vote." LOL. Not likely. Yeah, right, he would succeed in casting a ballot... And to suppose that this has happened 3 million times in California is the wildest fantasy scenario I've ever heard. See, the committee named to investigate this preposterous and baseless claim self-dissolved without finding any evidence (because of course it never happened; just in Trump's fertile imagination because his narcissism didn't allow him to acknowledge that he lost the popular vote).

    I know that the above (illegals voting) is a different situation, but it is just to say that the GOP's constant whining about election fraud is nothing more than a fantasy, issued for political purposes.
     
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    My apologies. That this risk has been shown to be negligible refutes any concerns about vote by mail being rife with fraud, as Trump claims.
     
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    You asked for proof, you got proof, and your abject FAILURE to refute a single word of what PA OFFICIALS are saying that PROVES that it IS white supremacist AGITATORS doing the RIOTING and LOOTING says volumes.

    The BLM PROTESTERS are PEACEFUL!

    Your wannabe FASCIST-in-Chief is the one who MUST call off his own CRIMINAL white supremacists that are RESPONSIBLE for trying to cause chose and instigate a civil war.
     
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    Democrats are not the leaders of BLM. They just agree that their demands are fair and long overdue.

    How BLM fights for those demands is not up to Democrats. It's up to BLM.
     
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