White Fragility.

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  1. quiller

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    Exactly. I have always believed that to be true.
     
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    Wine and salad dressings, thank you very much.
     
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    Served with fish, James. Only with fish.
     
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    ~ Omega 3 fatty acids. ..:banana:
     
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    Forget that spiffy dietary stuff, we're talking about kick-starting a few taste buds here. Maybe not so wild as a plate of gak but at least locking diet away in a closet until after dessert.

    Try some caught-that-morning Lake Superior whitefish. (OK, out your way, day-old/express-air.) Prepared in genuine unsalted butter with a bare sprinkle of seasoning. Paprika's nice. Or try fresh Northern Pacific salmon, same treatment, in at least a 6-oz. Mignon cut. Side dishes? Go for broke. Maybe even a double. Dessert? Something sinful. Goes with fish which taste that good.
     
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    I see you went back to the white and black adjectives. Perhaps I misunderstood, but I thought we had agreed that the adjectives weren't helpful for racial healing of America's diverse culture. I no no one, left or right, who is in favor of abusing any other American. We Americans stand against abusing each other.
     
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    Should have been "I know no one..."
     
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    No more nonsense. While more US whites are killed by police than Blacks they are killed disproportionately. True. But Blacks disproportionately commit more crime and that is a simple fact.
    We can create as many dog and pony shows as we wish to either ignore this or just make even this increased criminality evidence of white racism!
    I’m growing tired of making the ever increasing lists of Black privilege in the US but it’s clear it will never be enough. Any disparity will be viewed as racism as long as we continue to make the assumption that there can be no other explanation.
    It’s time to say that if US Blacks refuse to take advantage of their special protections, don’t become educated and don’t try to become assimilated into US culture, then the problem is in their own communities.
    Whites can not be held accountable for the lack of motivation literally forever.
    Ok everyone, it’s time to jerk those knees.
    But some problems are simple to explain.
    I’m glad I’m out of the US.
     
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    What you're referring to here are the consequences...the "effects" of someone thinking they are somehow better than the other.
    Those effects are countless and can lead to war and genocide.

    Those two things may not be as "different" as you are implying...they may share the same cause.

    That idea may also be an assumption on your part. Another person might understand something on a deeper level than yourself. How would you know?
     
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    What a sheltered life you must have led.
     
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    No. Thinking alone does not confer power unless it is the thinking of the person conferring it.
    Not without the necessary power.
    What, human nature?
    Understanding confers the ability to predict. When my prediction comes true and theirs does not, my understanding is almost certainly superior to theirs.
     
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    This scares the big tent vote herders more than anything. The possibility that some of their, "taken for granted," minions will see that they have better options from which to choose.
     
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    That was not to dismiss the fact that abusive humans exist. But yes, "self-sheltering" is possible by distancing from and not associating with abusers, and choosing friends with good hearts and kind minds who look to positive and constructive solutions against destructive forces.
     
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    I lived in the US for too long not to see that too many African Americans view violence as valuable as an instrument of intimidation. Still it is mostly black on black violence as Whites have learned the danger of walking into Black neighborhoods.

    Too many Blacks have demanded special rights and received them leaving the other racial groups to feel that African Americans can’t make it on their own without a golf like handicap.

    This lack of confidence within the Black community has led White and Asian people to view African Americans as less worthy of respect.

    Rightly or wrongly this is the sociological reality in the US.
     
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    Yes I had to do that...because you said "color blind"....how else could I ask the question regarding your statement below....

    How did you feel about the Navy veteran being clubbed and pepper sprayed by the Trump Troops in Portland?
    Did he deserve that abuse?
     
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    Does this mean you believe we must all be as tough as nails and New York-hostile to the world?

    Some of the nicest people I know, people who would do anything to help a stranger in need equally as a neighbor --- they open-carry guns.

    To answer you, just because we like peace doesn't mean we don't know how to make war.
     
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    No, just more realistic about what people, including Americans, want. Many Americans are quite keen to abuse other Americans, as the violent crime rate proves.
     
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    It would be fascinating to see the breakdown on political affiliation of the arrestees.
     
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    Kind of dumb to decide to go confront the feds while rioters are throwing rocks, bottles and lit fireworks at them. Step across the line onto federal property and stand there when they are warning you to step back? Nice media martyr, Navy man!

    But back to the thread topic about Robin DiAngelo and White Fragility...
    She would sit Navy man down in a classroom and tell him to admit that he's a racist.
     
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    Of course..that's exactly the point. It has been said...For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he". When someone thinks he is better than the other, in his mind it is true...
    but only in his mind.
    My statement that you seem to be correcting here was...
    "Those effects are countless and can lead to war and genocide."


    You're saying that ambition and greed are human nature. Do you really believe that humans are born that way?


    Can't seem to find any reference to the validity of that statement...perhaps it's just one of your predictions.
     
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    I’m afraid that violence is now considered collateral damage in the pursuit of social justice. Even if that violence results in a few deaths. Unwilling martyrs to a cause. Omelettes, breaking eggs, the standard platitudes.
     
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    Yes people are predisposed to their own selfishness at any cost. Liberty fraternity and equality got Robespierre and Napoleon and land bread and freedom got the Bolsheviks and Lenin and Stalin.
    Look at Chimps our closest relatives. No discernible altruism there.
     
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    If that's true, then they should have let him stand there. He's a big guy they could have used him as a shield.
    Am disappointed you could not give me an explanation as to how "the right is more color blind".
    I really thought you had something.
    Thanks for the conversation.
     
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    Not so sure they share the same "greed and ambition" compared to humans.
     
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    Way off topic, but....

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