L.A. Teachers Union: Schools Can’t Reopen Unless Charter Schools Shut Down, Police Defunded

Maybe not to a classroom, but they will be confined to smaller areas such as a huddle or a locker room while they breathe heavily from exertion after practice. Not to mention the usually loud yelling that accompanies scholastic sports. I just don’t see the logic how 30 kids in a classroom is unsafe yet 60 kids in a locker room is perfectly fine.

 

I don't. We spend a fair amount on education and don't really get our money's worth.

 

None of it is okay. Let 'em play golf.

 

Holding Children Hostage:

A FIVE-FIGURE EDUCATION REBATE MIGHT BE POPULAR WITH VOTERS:

 

All for it if they can figure out how to insure it goes to educational cost for the child.

 

"As the new school year nears, Redfield said he would "absolutely" be comfortable with his grandchildren heading back to their classrooms. Redfield added he only may have "some reservation" about his grandson with cystic fibrosis, "depending on how he could be accommodated in the school."

"I think it's really important to get our schools open," he said. "It's not public health versus opening the schools or the economy -- it's public health versus public health. I think there really are a number of negative public health consequences that have happened to our K-12 [students] by having schools closed." Dr. Robert Redfield, Director of the CDC

https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavir...-jacksonville-home-covid-19/story?id=71914368

School districts here are giving parents the CHOICE of sending their children to school in person or using a computer screen at home. But teachers gotta teach or lose their job. That's the way it ought to be. The public should not pay salaries for nothing.

 

They also hold a very extremist viewpoint. Time to provide cash vouchers to all all parents that want them so they may seek an alternative to these schools held hostage by political extremist.

THICK BLUE LINE: Surge in support for police, just 2 in 10 back ‘defund’ scheme.

Strong national support for police and law and order, even among African Americans.

66% of adults oppose cutting the police budget in their community to channel money to social services, the scheme pushed by Biden and many many Leftists. That is up from 59% just last month.

23% “favor defunding the cops where they live,” and that is down from 27% just a few weeks ago.

57% of black people oppose defunding police in their home community. For whites, it's 69%, and for other minorities, it is 62%.

Only 12% now think defunding police will cut crime. Another 61% see crime increasing.

The Republican Attorneys General Association today focused on the crime surge in rapping Democratic state attorneys general for staying quiet about the defund movement.

They released a video criticizing those attorneys general and said in a statement, “Americans are less safe in Democrat-run cities because they refuse to protect citizens from violent crime and instead publicly urge the burning down of our country and cheer on the violent mobs.”

 

I hope there is an epiphany within the black voters and they see the light. Democrat leadership has totally failed them and they are in DANGER.

 

It's Time.

 

And the WSJ also notes this extortion which the leftist are trying to deny

School-Opening Extortion
Teachers unions are using Covid-19 as a political weapon.

Last week Randi Weingarten, leader of the powerful American Federation of Teachers, declared support for “safety strikes” if local unions deem insufficient the steps their school districts are taking to mitigate Covid-19. And on Monday an alliance of teachers unions and progressive groups sponsored what they called a “national day of resistance” around the country listing their demands before returning to the classroom. They include:

“• Support for our communities and families, including canceling rents and mortgages, a moratorium on evictions/foreclosures, providing direct cash assistance to those not able to work or who are unemployed, and other critical social needs

• Moratorium on new charter or voucher programs and standardized testing


• Massive infusion of federal money to support the reopening funded by taxing billionaires and Wall Street”

The phrase for this is political extortion. Rather than work to open schools safely, the unions are issuing ultimatums and threatening strikes until they are granted their ideological wish list. Children, who would have to endure more lost instruction, are their hostages.

These public unions are also lobbying their political allies to keep public charter and private schools closed. On Friday the chief health officer for Maryland’s Montgomery County, Travis Gayles, ordered private schools to remain closed until Oct. 1."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/school-opening-extortion-11596496376?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

As I said earlier, give them the date and 48 hours to report to class. If they refuse then fire them and replace them. Political extortion by government workers is exactly what FDR, George Meany and Mayor LaGuardia warned against by allowing them organize into unions.

 

Huh, who'd of thunk?! Gotta love data!

COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame

In this issue of Pediatrics, Posfay-Barbe et al6 report on the dynamics of COVID-19 within families of children with reverse-transcription polymerase chain reaction–confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection in Geneva, Switzerland. From March 10 to April 10, 2020, all children <16 years of age diagnosed at Geneva University Hospital (N = 40) underwent contact tracing to identify infected household contacts (HHCs). Of 39 evaluable households, in only 3 (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult HHCs. In all other households, the child developed symptoms after or concurrent with adult HHCs, suggesting that the child was not the source of infection and that children most frequently acquire COVID-19 from adults, rather than transmitting it to them.

 

I would be interested to know how many contacts each age-group

Do they give it to each other, especially when at any time a number of students will likely be infected? In British Columbia, students attended schools in June when transmission rates were down around 10-15 new cases per day for five million people. Schools only had one infection and that was a teacher.

BC is going to try to open schools after Labor Day--or "Labour Day," as they spell it--with elementary kids full time, and middle and high school half time. They are separated into "pods" of 60 in elementary and 120 in high school. The idea is that your "pod" are the only students you interact with.

It's rather obvious they intend to test and contract trace, anticipating they can limit COVID-19 outbreaks to a pod. We shall see.

Are all the students in a pod with a positive supposed to self-isolate for 14 days? Don't know yet.

 

So eliminate the competition and the rule of law.

Perhaps we should eliminate the teachers union.

 

Your article is behind a pay wall.

The article talks about two things--a safety strike (legit) and political blackmail (not legit), the former by the union, the latter by a self-appointed group of teachers. The union is not behind political blackmail.

You're going to fire them for a "safety" strike where they walk because students, teachers, and support staff are getting sick? Well, good luck finding an elected school board prepared to fire teachers for caring.

You're telling them they have no right to organize an association of teachers. So, instead of strike, they all quit at the same time. Are you intending to make that illegal, too?

 

You realize this makes no sense--right?

 

Your side never does.

 

Like the NYT and WaPo which are routinely cited here. I gave you the relevant part.

This is the union and their demands are far more than "safety" we manage when the air traffic controllers struck the city will here. Why do you support political blackmail, support our issues or we will hold the children hostage.

Give them the date the schools will open and give them 48 hours.

Here this pretty much says it all

“The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.”

“Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable.”

Do you agree or disagree..............care to guess who? Reagan understood, too bad a host of liberal local and state government leaders have not.

 

I wish I could say I think you'll be okay.

 

Yeah, no paywall articles would be better.

A "safety" strike is all the union is talking about. All the other "demands" are being advanced by teachers who don't run the union.

I said the blackmail isn't legit. The "safety" strike is.

You're going to fire them for protecting kids. Hohhh-Kayyyy...

I disagree.

The problem for school districts is teachers will strike even if the don't have a union. There's some dirt people won't eat.

 

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I cited the President of the Union and their demands are political not just safety issues. If they strike and it is in their contrat they cannot then fire them. If they continue to make political demands in extortion give them the deadline then if they don't show up fire them. We cannot have government workers extorting public policy, political, matters.

Did you agree with I posted about why there should NOT be public worker unions?

 

The article you cited says otherwise. The demands were made by teachers who were not in control of the union.

The union is making demands over safety for students and staff. That's it.

No. This isn't 1980.

 

"And on Monday an alliance of teachers unions and progressive groups"

And their political demands

So you disagree the champion of Unions and union workers FDR whom I quoted? What's changed in what he said?

How about George Meany?

"When it comes to the question of public sector (government employee) unions, the granddaddy of labor leaders, George Meany, didn’t believe in them.

At least, according to him.

By the time Meany wrote the following words, he had been a national labor leader for 16 years, having served as the #2 and then #1 official of the American Federation of Labor (AFL) from 1939-1955. After the AFL merged with the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) on December 5, 1955, Meany served as the AFL-CIO’s president for the next 25 years.

On December 4, 1955, literally the eve of the AFL-CIO merger, the New York Times magazine published an article by Meany in which he set forth this view: “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” His quote in greater context:

…4) Certain business leaders may consider “big government” or socialism more of an immediate threat to their interests than communism. Are they allowing themselves to be deluded by their own propaganda to the effect that organized labor in this country is in favor of big government or the nationalization of industry?

Nothing could be further from the truth. The main function of American trade unions is collective bargaining. It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government. Unions, as well as employers, would vastly prefer to have even Government regulation of labor-management relations reduced to a minimum consistent with the protection of the public welfare…"
https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/20...-meany-didnt-believe-in-public-sector-unions/

 

My family member is a teacher, works for a poorer area with a school district that has trouble attracting good teachers, a few years ago they finally got some additional funding they "thought" would help, more supplies for classrooms, upgraded computers, a small raise to keep teachers, well guess what, 100% of the new money went to administration, raises for all the former teachers that were now administrators. So much for caring about kids. the union takes care of the bosses, like ALL unions.

 

There is no way teachers' unions are making contract demands the employer can't satisfy. No chance, period. Teachers may strike over school safety, or even over a lack of school help for poor kids having to work from home, but they would never strike until we have Medicare-for-all. Never.

Public sector workers have changed. Teachers, in particular, will strike even if they don't have a union.

Meany died 40 years ago. Workers have changed.

 

Why do you keep trying to claim this is about a contract negotiation? It is not. It is about teachers demanding the government take political actions with nothing to do with teaching else they will not show up. They have been quite clear in what they have said and what has been cited here and you have posted nothing to refute it.

If they don't then FIRE THEM. And you keep saying it has changed without giving any example how anything has changed or anything that Roosevelt or Meany said about the why there should not be public sector unions you want it only because you want it.