I want to start an online outreach to Satanists....

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Can demons be given hope?

  1. No... the demons have zero hope!

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  2. Yes..... Elijah must "restore all things"

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  3. I am not sure but I will research this further.

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  1. DennisTate

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    And..... DO NOT mis-underestimate the capability of
    Ms. Hillary Clinton to win herself an Academy Award
    by attempting to invade the territory of the "Deplorables"
    and fall down magnificently during a "fire tunnel" or "blessing tunnel"
    and even speak some kind of Glossalia or another............

    ...... and take another shot at becoming President?!

    A song by The George Canyon could be her theme song??????

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...for-president-in-2020.562049/#post-1071017926

    Should Hillary Clinton enter the race for President in 2020?

    I am going with a YES.. but my reasoning process is downright strange.

    I am thinking that the potential ARTISTIC VALUE of Hillary mounting another Presidential campaign is actually quite huge!!!!

    We Canadians might just be able to do something with this:

    The George Canyon is running in Central - Nova, N. S., Canada....



     
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    Now I could be wrong.....
    but I've gotten the impression from some of your posts that you might know about this already.......

    that time long, long, long ago when some of the fallen angels asked your great, great, great, great ....... grandfather Enoch.......
    to pray for them.......

    he didn't take them up on their offer so it passed down.... and down.. .and down.. and down through the generation.....

    You can both read it as well as hear about this read to you after the 5:15 mark in this video:





    https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-R9z...h+[The+Book+Of+The+Secrets+Of+Enoch]_djvu.txt

     
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    mushrooms were potent back then. they still are, mind consumption for safety.
     
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    This is worthy of consumption........
    listening to this right now.......

     
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    A hundred dollar bill.
     
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    NOW THAT IS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I strongly suspect that neither the Apostle Paul nor Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus would repeat that one if either one of them were here again in human form in 2019...... but then again....... I could be wrong???????????????????




    Could Rabbi Alon Anava be more like Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus than any Christian on earth?


    Could Matthew chapter four have largely taken place in an invisible dimension of space - time and... could Matthew chapters five, six and seven have been shockingly similar to the NDE of Rabbi Alon Anava?????????????

    (I do hope that this doesn't get him kicked out of Israel)??????

     
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    Yes.... and quite a few witches have probably tried mushrooms......
    but near death experiencer Dean Braxton talks about his meetings with
    witches after the forty seven minute mark in this fascinating video...........

    The witches told Dean that he had changed their view of Jesus........

     
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    Wow! I want to be able to find this again later on!

     
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    True..... I don't...........
    but if I don't write this up....... who will??????

    Could Satan to some degree be like Stanley Milgram Ph.D?

    You have probably all heard of the Milgram Experiment?

    It was conducted by Stanley Milgram Ph. D. during the time of the Nuremburg War Crimes trials and focused on why human beings would be so obedient to Authority Figures even to the point of doing terrible things to relatively or even extremely innocent people?

    This sermon seems to back up this really controversial theory that has been on my mind for many years.


    John 10:10
    "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

    Yes.... Satan does kill.... but when he kills us he knows that we go off to heaven much as Mr. Dean Braxton reported!

    Yes... Satan does steal... but he knows that when he steals from us it is only a matter of time and our learning wisdom and we can ask and have all that he stole from us restored fourfold or sevenfold.... .(depending on what he stole and under what specific set of circumstances he did it).

    Yes..... he does destroy..... but in the process of destroying us..... Satan humbles us..... and without humility..... we cannot enter heaven!


    Isaiah 57:15
    "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."


    My theory is that Satan HATES PRIDE.... because he knows that pride caused him to fall and lose out on being a Covering Cherub in the presence of the Ancient of Days the Father and the Holy Spirit and the Comforter the Holy Spirit and in the presence of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

    So Satan... in spite of all of his many, many, many, many, many flaws......... might well wear the costume of "The Humbler" if he were to become a comic book Super Hero?!

    Perhaps I am being idealistic and naive.... but I have wondered if we are supposed to take this principle to an extreme extreme?????????

    Matthew 5

    43 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: 44 but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; 45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust.

    46 For if ye love them that love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

    47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others?] do not even the Gentiles the same?

    48 Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


    I began this discussion with something in mind that is almost like a game of chess.........

    ...... Satanists assume that Satan is like them...... selfish....... and proud......
    and greedy...... but in fact... Satan could be far, far, far, far, far more complicated than that????

    IF... it is at all true that high level Satanists have gotten themselves into the board of directors of big TV production companies and even in government then........

    ..... if those Satanists begin to wonder if in fact their king... might not be quite as selfish..... or quite as proud..... or as greedy as they are THEN.........

    ..... they might just begin to rethink their approach to life and the afterlife.... and they might just consider turning their lives right side up.........

     
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    While I appreciate the conversation, I will not defend those who have made their choices. The fallen angels knew exactly what they were going to do. They were shown their 'lives' should they go against their creator.

    Don't fall into the lies the father of lies tells. His goal is the destruction or 'death' of souls. The 'life' spoken of is life through Christ, in Christ, not 'death' through the fallen.
     
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    You could be correct... this theory of mine could have been downloaded to me from the dark side of the force?????

    But on the other hand this really made me think:

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/children.html#a03
    For the record I do believe in a Devil or Satan what I am questioning is what the Devil and Satan are actually attempting to accomplish. On one level... the Satans prove to us Christians that there is still darkness within our souls.... and they humble us.... which in a sense prepares us for heaven?!

    Isaiah 57:15

    For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
     
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    Well, then you cannot believe this person's NDE.
    :)
     
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    Isnt satanism just a way to meet girls or guys to have sex with?

    Never understood it otherwise. Satan or demons are not the best entities to hang out with and I cannot imagine them to be pleasant company.

    I once met a ravishing gal who claimed to be a satan worshiper but 9[had to back out of taking her home when she told me she even had a dildo shaped like a cross. This was long ago when the film the Exorist was playing in the local theater so in the early 70s
     
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    After the 22:29 minute mark in this video there are details about Satan, the former Covering Cherub Halel given that really amazed me. His explanation on what happens when somebody plays around with witchcraft is also sobering and fits with what I heard from witches who became Christians and told their stories.



    The Mystery Of The Power Words @ The River Of Waupun Session Sixteen
     
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    You could be correct...... I personally just do not know for sure what to think on something this complicated?????

    I do think though that Satan is probably acting at least somewhat like Stanley Milgram Ph. D. and he is leading many Christians to the place of humility where they will have a pretty deep understanding for why PRIDE would cause Lucifer, (Covering Cherub Halel in Hebrew)...... to fall.


    This is after the 1:18:00 mark in this audio video:
     
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    I personally take the idea of The Restoration of All Things to include even the fallen angels, the fallen Watchers, The fallen Nephilim as well as all fallen humans and animals who have been deceived into the scary afterlife realms.


    Act 3:21 “whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."


    Matthew 17:11 "Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first[fn] and will restore all things."


    2Samuel 18:33
    "Then the king was deeply moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept. And as he went, he said thus: “O my son Absalom—my son, my son Absalom—if only I had died in your place! O Absalom my son, my son!”"

    2Samuel 19:4
    "But the king covered his face, and the king cried out with a loud voice, “O my son Absalom! O Absalom, my son, my son!"

    Act 13:22
    “And when He had removed him, He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and said, ‘I have found David[fn] the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will.'[fn]


    1Samuel 13:14

    “But now your kingdom shall not continue. The LORD has sought for Himself a man after His own heart, and the LORD has commanded him to be commander over His people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you.”

     
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    I suppose that my doing things like this could come back to haunt me!!!

    Oh.. near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai reports that when the Word - Logos formed Covering Cherub Halel who fell and became Satan..... that the Word - Logos ... that the Word - Logos KNEW THAT HALEL WOULD FALL... and introduce rebellion into the universe - multiverse.........

    Rebellion.... hatred.... envy.... lust.... greed... pride... all have to be confronted and overcame.........

    Existing for infinite time in the past gives a truly infinite being a different way of thinking than we humans tend to have......


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

    I wonder what he thinks of that proposed new name for him... .Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan........

    Abner Paul Azazel Baalzebub........

    Jezebel Delilah Gomer Mary Magdalene Lilith......
     
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    You might like this guy?

     
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    Satanism is even more loosely defined than Christianity is.

    You've got Satanists who call themselves that because they have mental problems, hear voices in their heads and worship the Devil.

    You've got Satanists who call themselves that because they want to seem edgy and dark. And maybe they get a rise out of scaring the religious.

    You've got Satanists who call themselves that despite being atheists, because they see Satan as the Anti-God, and see God as a tyrant. So Lucifer, the bringer of light becomes the good guy. The one who rebels and challenges the tyrant God. Then Satan becomes a symbol of freedom and individual responsibility. I am sympathetic to these Satanists.

    You've got Satanists who use the guise of Devil worship to try to make a point to the religious and strike down religious over reaching, like the Satanists who created the "shrine" to Baphomet that they apply to place anywhere a religious monument/shrine/etc is put on public land. Those Satanists are all about the separation of church and state and don't actually care about God, the Devil, or the other people who call themselves Satanists for other reasons. I am on board with these "Satanists".
     
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    Of all the intriguing replies that I got to this topic.......
    I think that this is my favourite because you really got to the core of the whole conflict between
    all the religions of the earth.

    But for the Grace of God.... I could be a Satanist today...... I was headed in that direction by 1990:

    Could the Christian gospel be much worse news?

    My dad died on January 1, 1990...... dad was a mess.....
    but I would NOT trade him.... not even for my boyhood idol Garner Ted Armstrong who
    was more of a Christian Comedian.....than Evangelist in many ways........

    .... so by Yom Kippur 1990.... (a few days afterwards actually).... I resorted to drastic measures and I put in my bid..... my wager.... my proposed investment...... on the debt the guilt of Azazel as hinted at in the original Hebrew of Leviticus 16:10.....

    Question for you....... could the metaphorical kingdom of the "Philistines" be brought down in essentially one day........ by one writing..... .that spreads within certain populations rather quickly?

    Hillary...... Barack..... and George Soros......... and even Billy Gates..... could soon be speaking in Glossalia......... and by that I mean the real stuff........ the kind that happened back on Pentecost in Acts chapter two.......


    X-Atheist-Satanist comes to #JESUS - Amazing Christian Testimony


     
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    I always enjoy most of your posts, and I think you're probably genuine in these beliefs.

    But, if you're truly a believer, your own texts tell you that if you're indeed a believer, then satanists can never have any power over you, no need for a bunch of crank rituals and chants. As for myself, the Catholic scholastics had it right when they said magic, witchcraft, and all that rubbish were merely ignorant peasant pagan superstition, and not at all real life presences. 'Satanists' are merely a bunch of bored attention whoring bourgeois Burb Brats who watched too many crappy movies like [b ]Carrie[/b] and run around LARPing in a juvenile attempt at scaring their peers and trying to shock Grandma. There are plenty of con artists out there who will gladly sell them all kinds of crap to help them out.

    You might be better served by studying sociopaths and their pathologies, assorted neuroses, etc., basically what has historically been referred to as 'demon possession'. I would include a belief in 'Satanism' as a manifestation of mental illness, only a more serious manifestation than the 'evolution' cult favored by assorted angry deviants and Jerry Falwell haters.
     
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    I could be wrong in this theory.... it is pretty out there......
    but based on Leviticus 16:10 I have wondered if it is the plan of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to
    DIVIDE the kingdom of Satan......... cause it to fall.......
    and mop up a lot of former fallen Watchers and their children the Nephilim..........

    .... and bring them to repentance??????

    I base this mostly on my belief that the G-d of Abraham would not play a practical joke on Azazel......
    (whoever Azazel was).....and make him a target for other fallen angels.......
    by putting his name in the Book of Leviticus so........

    I assumed that this verse must have a positive meaning hidden in there somehow????

    "but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
    to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
    to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...uman-hybrid-be-saved-and-go-to-heaven.297304/


    Can an angel - human hybrid be saved and go to heaven?
     
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    Yes..... I am genuine in these beliefs that the universe / Multiverse is teeming with many varieties of life!

    Only a small segment of life and intelligence exists in four dimensional space and time but more intelligence and more life forms exist in fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth and even in higher invisible dimensions of space - time than these.

    Christian Andreason's book on this topic is one of the clearest and easiest to understand that I have ever read in my sixty one years.

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

    Chapter 2:
    ......
     
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    I didn't say the books claimed Satan didn't exist, I said that Jesus said he had no magical power over believers, but as for hidden meanings it's clear as the books move on to Isaiah and the Jews finally start becoming less pagan and more monotheistic, 'evil' becomes an internal battle of people's own weaknesses, hence the rubric of the term 'demon possession' becoming the primary manifestation of evil, to varying degrees of intensity; having no language for psychological medicine and diagnosis and the like, and it works perfectly well as a euphemism until modern times.
     
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    Brilliantly stated!

    In your obviously well informed opinion........ assuming that former Covering Cherub Halel who later became known as Lucifer / Satan........ truly walked in Eden and ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil... (a fig tree according to near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai).......

    would......... it be possible for a possible reincarnation of Adam to rename Lucifer..... Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan / Halel....... and his doing this have a potential POSITIVE EFFECT on Lucifer??????

    I also renamed Azazel........ Abner Paul Azazel Baalzebub........

    and I also renamed LLT - Lilith....... Delilah Jezebel Gomer Mary Magdalene Lilith........

    The hint that my doing this might just carry more than ordinary significance is here in post number 67:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-for-the-role-of-elijah-needed.499830/page-3
    So..... if somebody had a rather large mole or birthmark on their right side that could conceivably coincide with a possible spear wound from a past life......... then.... that person could well be another reincarnation of Adam??????????

    That would I assume give them a special insight on these words:


    "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things." (Matthew 17:11)


    I was reading The Book of Adam and Eve.... came to chapter 69.......
    I looked down at my right side and saw that I have a rather large mole there that
    could perhaps correspond with this event from six millennia or so in the past.

    Nothing definite.... but this began to get me thinking.


    3. Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons

    "Know! You need to judge every person favorably, even someone who is completely wicked, you need to search and find any little bit of good. By finding in him a little good and judging him favorably you actually bring him over to the side of merit and you can return him in teshuva" (Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, LM 282)
     
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